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    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    What is the process for vacating an election? We don't reside in a parliamentary system. The constitution provides for impeachment and 25th amendmenting a president as the 2 ways of removing him. If we somehow successfully achieve either of those 2 things (which I seriously doubt), we end up with Pence. Pence would normalize our relations with our traditional allies and repeal Trump's tariffs, but his judicial appointments would be the same. Not sure if the 4 year terms are constitutional or if they're established by some other law enacted by congress. But I don't know of any legal means of vacating an election.

    And it's not like our elections have been free of shenanigans in the past. I'd assert that the majority in Bush v. Gore erroneously took from the FL supreme court the final authority of FL law. Back in 1960, there is a good chance Momo rigged the Cook County vote totals (similarly to what happened in that 1 NC district this year), and that put Kennedy over the top. (Why Kennedy then appointed his brother as AG and went after the mob is a mystery, and it wasn't good for his health, but that's another matter.) Going further back, there was the 1876 deal handing the election to Hayes and the 1824 alleged corrupt bargain where Clay gave his votes to Adams so that the vile Jackson wouldn't win. And before that, Burr tried to steal the 1800 election from his running mate, which brought about the necessity for the 12th amendment.

    Don't get me wrong. I alternate between angry, sad and numb. But the only thing we can do about it is impeach Trump, 25th amendment him or vote him out of office (and prosecute all those members of his team who committed crimes).
    Blah blah blah, Trump and his whole administration should resign, including Pence, and any laws and rules passed under his admin should be repealed, and all judges and justices should step down for sake of the integrity of our democracy. Iím not suggesting any of this will happen, but it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheCaptain View Post
    Republicans: oh yeah.....hey wait a minute !
    This might be the case if they didn't worship Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    You'd think Republicans would be more angry that he was colluding with Russia to beat them in the primary.
    And youíd think Republicans would be more angry that he was colluding with a foreign adversary to interfere in our domestic affairs. Because weíre the fucking U.S. of A. and no one should fuck with us.

    But hey as long as Trump, Putin and right wing media are owning the libs and keeping pubs in power...who cares right?

    Iíve been following the Russia storyline longer than most and I naively thought the GOP would hold Trump accountable or at least conduct a real investigation. As a former Republican, watching the party (leaders, voters and media) completely capitulate to Trump and Putin has been about as unsettling as watching the Catholic Church enable child abuse for years.

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    The guy Manafort colluded with somehow got his name off of the sanctions list LAST MONTH. You can't dismiss this as Manafort going rogue.

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    Trump Team Had Over 100 Contacts With Russia-Linked Officials, Says Think Tank

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...ays-think-tank

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    That sophisticated, specific Russian 2016 voter targeting effort doesnít seem to exist

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.f8e756651059

    A few things to notice immediately: There was an early push to target ads in Missouri, Maryland and Ohio. Thatís in part because the Russians had started assessing American politics in 2014 and seized on the polarized Black Lives Matter movement as a focus of energy. A lot of the ads in those states in that time period actually targeted specific cities or regions, like Baltimore and Ferguson where there had been days-long protests.
    The black bars indicate campaigns that ran in October 2016 or in the first eight days of November; that is, until Election Day. Youíll notice that two of the states where the most ads ran were Texas and New York ó neither of which was considered close in the final weeks of the campaign. States that Trump won narrowly ó specifically Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin ó saw very few campaigns and, per our count, were seen by fewer than 1,000 people in the last five weeks before the election.

    The most successful of the ads that ran in those three states at the end of the campaign, it seems, was this one ó which ran not only in Michigan, but also California, Illinois, New York and Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    That sophisticated, specific Russian 2016 voter targeting effort doesnít seem to exist

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.f8e756651059
    So it's ok to collude with a foreign government as long as it doesn't work. Is that like committing a little "light treason"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilburnDeac View Post
    So it's ok to collude with a foreign government as long as it doesn't work. Is that like committing a little "light treason"?
    See also: "process crimes." Defined as crimes that don't count since they're not collusion.

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    Shit palma, I read an article the other day where it said the exact opposite (mich and Wis specifically)...Idk, data is manipulated crazy these days.

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    I think I just completely disagree with the author's assertion that location-based targeting is the only hyper-specific type of targeting that might make a difference in an election. It's obvious their focus was more around profile targeting since that probably offered a much bigger bang for the buck and with savvy profiles built up lets you target states/areas more generally. If I take out an ad that targets white dudes that love Wrangler that's going to reach a lot more voters in the Midwest and Rust Belt than it is the East Coast and (Urban) California. Cambridge Analytics built up far more sophisticated profiles than that (from what I've read) that let them make smarter decisions that could have impacts in several key states, not just one or two with specific targeting.

    Focusing on such a small number of geo-specific ads just seems like a distraction considering how few they took out.

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    Trump Campaign colluded with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by LilburnDeac View Post
    So it's ok to collude with a foreign government as long as it doesn't work. Is that like committing a little "light treason"?
    Iíve never doubted they colluded. I mean Trump asked for Russiaís help in a campaign rally. ďRussia.... if youíre listening....Ē. I just have long mocked those that took it to the next step that the collusion put Trump in the White House. That just seemed stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warak View Post
    Shit palma, I read an article the other day where it said the exact opposite (mich and Wis specifically)...Idk, data is manipulated crazy these days.
    Is the Washington post fringe right wing propaganda? I mean all reports are itís $75k on Facebook ads, right? Iím not sure how one manipulates that data to being meaningful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    Iíve never doubted they colluded. I mean Trump asked for Russiaís help in a campaign rally. ďRussia.... if youíre listening....Ē. I just have long mocked those that took it to the next step that the collusion put Trump in the White House. That just seemed stupid.
    The effect of the cheating on the election doesnít really matter. Attempted treason is still pretty fucking bad and the end result is that our president still thinks he owes Putin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    Is the Washington post fringe right wing propaganda? I mean all reports are itís $75k on Facebook ads, right? Iím not sure how one manipulates that data to being meaningful.
    That we know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    Iíve never doubted they colluded. I mean Trump asked for Russiaís help in a campaign rally. ďRussia.... if youíre listening....Ē. I just have long mocked those that took it to the next step that the collusion put Trump in the White House. That just seemed stupid.
    It also seems pretty stupid to think location specific ad spending was the only aid the Trump campaign received from Russia or that collusion with Russia was the only criminal part of Trumpís campaign.

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    take Trump to court

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailordeac View Post
    take Trump to court
    Thatís going to be a long line come 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    Iíve never doubted they colluded. I mean Trump asked for Russiaís help in a campaign rally. ďRussia.... if youíre listening....Ē. I just have long mocked those that took it to the next step that the collusion put Trump in the White House. That just seemed stupid.
    You consistently ignore the fact that Russia hacked the DNC and used Wikileaks to distribute that hacked material dominating the news cycle for that entire election cycle. That suppressed enough votes for Trump to win on razor thin margins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmab03 View Post
    Is the Washington post fringe right wing propaganda? I mean all reports are itís $75k on Facebook ads, right? Iím not sure how one manipulates that data to being meaningful.
    Plus hacking the DNC and Podestas emails and slow leaking then over the course of the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailordeac View Post
    take Trump to court
    This is brilliant. I wish Muller had thought of that.
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