Louis Gossett Jr
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Have we tried the other extreme? No police needed but ChrisL is free to murder squatters? Nobody will be staying for free with those consequences!
These are all things abolitionists are doing.
If you don't support the total abolishment of police, then you are basically a landlord, you fucking centrist dishrag.
I don’t think it’s fair to personally attack ChrisL for owning rental property, and I don’t think being a landlord invalidates his viewpoint on policing. Now the tunnels resident corporate lawyer that defends companies from sexual harassment claims, fuck that guy.
lol, oh I definitely support utopia as well, I just don’t trust Democrats to pivot from “Defund The Police Today!” to “Maybe, if it’s ok with you, someday we won’t need the police??” That’s what this “reform” bullshit is. It’s a buzzword that Democrats water down into nothing. I don’t know how in the fuck posters like ChrisL can seriously suggest that police reform and defund are the same, when all of ChrisLs pragmatic faves want to INCREASE POLICE FUNDING? How can you seriously suggest such a meaningless term that it can both mean defunding the police and increasing police funding?
There’s a pretty important distinction between social workers and mental health professionals and those same jobs as employees of a police department.
Agreed, but there is also a difference between dealing with somebody with mental issues in a calm controlled environment and a chaotic environment with the potential exists for them to hurt other people.
Even if you handle it as a mental health issue, there has to be some contingency alternative if things deteriorate. That would either need to be handled as the police or in coordination with the police.
Agreed, but there is also a difference between dealing with somebody with mental issues in a calm controlled environment and a chaotic environment with the potential exists for them to hurt other people.
Even if you handle it as a mental health issue, there has to be some contingency alternative if things deteriorate. That would either need to be handled as the police or in coordination with the police.
Many times the presence of armed officers and the threat of violence IS the reason for escalation.
Many times the presence of armed officers and the threat of violence IS the reason for escalation.
Things deteriorate because of the police presence. Our concept of law enforcement doesn’t fit in a scenario where the law officer can’t command control at the threat of violence. We don’t need guns or chokeholds anywhere near 99.9% of mental health crisis.
Sure. But not always. And the gap between the two is the issue. We need to drastically change how officers interact with the public. But we also have to be able to deal with the fact that, as a nation with more guns than people, sometimes a person who is unable to recognize right from wrong is going to have a firearm and try to use it.
I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion. I asked why MDMH and MHB would want to engage with your opinion. It's two different registers - the applied and the theoretical - speaking past each other. You're subject to the situation you entered when you took over the property and far more interested in protecting your investment/claim. They're not landlords - perhaps tenants - who are concerned with improving the working/living conditions of those frequently subject to police violence, and they frequently operate at a theoretical register because that's literally what is required to improve/change structures of governance/law/politics.
I don't know what gaslighting you're noticing in my words but you may want to slow down when you read because this is the second time you've misread the same post. And I remain confused as to why you're operating in such a defensive posture toward me with your responses.
the lack of good faith discussion on this thread sucks because this is an area where I hold a ton of conflicting thoughts and feelings and would appreciate folks articulating their vision for public safety
Isn't this board so that people of different perspectives can discuss issues with each other. You don't see how your assertion could be taken as a divisive dismissal?