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The Mueller Report is Delivered

Why of course we should take this at face value like all the other hyperbolic claims of trump’s demise

Because we haven’t seen the actual report. Even more obviously, Barr’s summary doesn’t explain or even line up with what we already know from indictments and basic facts.
 
Because we haven’t seen the actual report. Even more obviously, Barr’s summary doesn’t explain or even line up with what we already know from indictments and basic facts.

What you think you know. What does a Maddow Muppet really know? Cognitive dissonance is hard.

Barr’s letter clearly quotes language from the report that fully exonerates Trump on Russian collusion.

To quote ranger’s buddy Benjamin Wittes, “Boom”
 
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING:Rep. Devin Nunes says House Intel has evidence Clinton operatives & hi-level FBI & DOJ officials started Trump-Russia investigation in "late 2015/early 2016" &that House GOP will be making criminal referrals to AG Barr for officials who "perpetuated this hoax" for 3+ yrs
 
Seems there was plenty of reason to investigate Russian actions. And if any Americans coordinated or conspired with them.

And with Trump publicly acting hyper-defensive about the investigation, the SC mechanism seems like it was the right way to go about it.

Nothing wrong with any of that.

I’m glad if no one coordinated/conspired with Putin/Russia. And I’m glad we’ve had what seems to be a thorough investigation.

The obstruction concerns seem less clearly resolved. Trump finally getting the kind of assist from his AG he’s been looking for all along.
 
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING:Rep. Devin Nunes says House Intel has evidence Clinton operatives & hi-level FBI & DOJ officials started Trump-Russia investigation in "late 2015/early 2016" &that House GOP will be making criminal referrals to AG Barr for officials who "perpetuated this hoax" for 3+ yrs

what's the crime? believing a candidate for POTUS colluded with a foreign gov't?
 
I am really glad our president isn’t a blatant traitor. It’s too bad he is a completely incompetent and corrupt asshole though. Probably time for the Dems to move on and make the case for replacing this corrupt administration in 2020.
 
I am really glad our president isn’t a blatant traitor. It’s too bad he is a completely incompetent and corrupt asshole though. Probably time for the Dems to move on and make the case for replacing this corrupt administration in 2020.

That should have been the goal all along - and it has always been the goal for a great many people. The notion that the Mueller Report or any other investigation was going to drive Trump from office was a fantasy from the beginning. Even if Mueller had found proof of collusion, there is simply no way that enough of his blindly adoring base was going to believe it or turn on him, and thus there was never any chance that enough Senate Republicans (even close to the 20 or so necessary) would vote to remove him from office. The people who believed that fantasy seemed to be hoping against all the evidence that somehow enough "decent Republicans" would see Mueller's Report or whatever and turn on him. That's simply not going to happen - Trump now owns the GOP, body and soul. The investigations of Trump, his family, and administration will continue of course, via the SDNY investigation, other federal and state investigations around the country, and the House Dems are just starting their investigations, but none of it will drive him from office, no matter what they find. The only three ways he's going to leave office are through death, being voted out of office in November 2020, or being forced to leave office at the end of a second term in January 2025. There are no other options, and realistically there never has been, imo.
 
Would have been nice if Mitch took this seriously before the election but I’m glad the issue of Russian interference is at least being acknowledged and not swept under the rug.

 
I am really glad our president isn’t a blatant traitor. It’s too bad he is a completely incompetent and corrupt asshole though. Probably time for the Dems to move on and make the case for replacing this corrupt administration in 2020.
This is a reasonable take.
 
Trump did not collude with Russia. But he’s wrong to say Mueller exonerated him.

AFTER NEARLY two years of waiting, Americans have some preliminary answers about Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Attorney General William P. Barr on Sunday revealed that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III found no collusion between Donald Trump or his 2016 campaign with the Russian effort. But Mr. Mueller did not answer with the same clarity whether President Trump unduly interfered with law enforcement. That will be a matter for Congress and the public to consider as Mr. Barr releases more information — as he must.

Where there is smoke, there is not always fire. Despite questionable meetings between Trump officials and Russians, Mr. Mueller found that the investigation “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” To take one key example, the June 2016 meeting between Mr. Trump’s senior campaign staff and a Russian lawyer was deeply unwise. The campaign should have reported to the FBI the Russian lawyer’s interest in meeting, rather than bringing her into the campaign’s inner sanctum. But, based on Mr. Barr’s Sunday summary, this did not reflect a broader coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

That much should be a relief to Americans worried that the nation’s senior leaders acted as agents of a foreign power during the 2016 election. On the other hand, Mr. Trump’s bizarre refusal to acknowledge the Russian interference, and his unceasing assaults on Mr. Mueller’s investigation, are all the more confounding. It is still not out of the question that Mr. Trump’s disturbing deference to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin is repayment for the Kremlin’s help during the presidential race. But it seems more likely that Mr. Trump is simply a Russian apologist. That is not comforting.

Mr. Mueller also examined whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice as he bullied the Justice Department. Here, Mr. Mueller’s call is trickier — and will require a lot more information for Congress and the public to make their own judgments. Mr. Mueller “did not draw a conclusion — one way or the other — as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction,” Mr. Barr revealed. Mr. Mueller made clear this was not an exoneration. Mr. Barr subsequently determined that there was not enough evidence to warrant an obstruction-of-justice charge against the president.

Given the apparent closeness of the call — and Congress’s role in overseeing presidential behavior — it is crucial that Mr. Barr’s vague description of the obstruction question not be the last word on the matter. To the greatest extent possible, the public must see the record that Mr. Mueller collected.

There is a lesson for Mr. Trump and his partisans, too: The Mueller probe was no witch hunt. There are public servants who put the interests of truth and duty above tribal loyalty, and many of them work at the Justice Department. The president was wrong to trash and undermine this institution for the past two years — and to continue trashing it Sunday, after Mr. Barr had made his report.

Mr. Barr deserves credit for releasing information as quickly as possible. He has, so far, kept his promise to maximize transparency in sharing material from the Mueller probe. In his Sunday release, the attorney general warned that there would be material he could not publicize. We nevertheless expect that Mr. Barr will lean heavily toward transparency. The alternative would be that questions remained unanswered — and suspicions festered — around the president’s behavior.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d346f0ec94f_story.html?utm_term=.b20e910223c1
 
the Steele Dossier is simultaneously the biggest evidence of Russian efforts to interfere in American elections and also clear evidence of the Democrats colluding with the Russians

time to investigate the real effort to interfere and the real collusion
 
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING:Rep. Devin Nunes says House Intel has evidence Clinton operatives & hi-level FBI & DOJ officials started Trump-Russia investigation in "late 2015/early 2016" &that House GOP will be making criminal referrals to AG Barr for officials who "perpetuated this hoax" for 3+ yrs

Lol. Is Nunes going to put himself in jail for years of Hillary investigations that led to zero convictions?
 
Moonz - do you think the entire Mueller report should be released or are you comfortable with Barr's distillation down to a few talking points?
 
Moonz - do you think the entire Mueller report should be released or are you comfortable with Barr's distillation down to a few talking points?

Obviously, there will be parts that cannot be released under law.

But sure, release as much as possible.

Even CNN is acknowledging, it’s a the start of a new era for Trump.

NO COLLUSION
 
the Steele Dossier is simultaneously the biggest evidence of Russian efforts to interfere in American elections and also clear evidence of the Democrats colluding with the Russians

time to investigate the real effort to interfere and the real collusion

Now this here is deranged.
 
I just read the Barr summary. There are going to be a lot of continuing questions about this and Congress is going to be having hearings for a while on the full report. Basically, Barr summarizes that Mueller decided Trump and his campaign's actions did not rise to the level of legal "conspiracy", which in fn 1 of the summary is defined as an "agreement", either tacit or express. At the far end of the extreme, this does not mean that Mueller concluded Trump is not Trump is sympathetic to and/or compromised by Russian interests. It simply means that Mueller did not find sufficient legal evidence to prove that Trump legally conspired with the Russians. In this, Guiliani is correct, "collusion" is not a crime. Conspiracy is the crime. And there was not enough evidence to determine that there was an agreement on Trump or his campaign's part to prove conspiracy. I imagine Congress will want to investigate the numerous dalliances between Russia and the Trump campaign even if there was not sufficient evidence of an agreement to conspire to influence the election between the two.

On the obstruction charge, this was Barr's greatest work. Mueller laid out the facts and law on both sides of the equation, including the legal issue of whether the President can be charged with obstrution, as well as the complicated facts. Mueller likely wants the issue debated by Congress. However, Barr took it upon himself to conclude that the DOJ is now the arbiter of whether Trump obstructed justice. Barr decided that Trump did not, and in reaching that conclusion, he relied on the conclusion that there was no evidence of "conpsiracy". So then the question is, if there was not a crime committed that Trump was trying to cover up, could Trump still have tried to obstruct justice by short-circuiting the investigation into whether a crime existed. Clearly the answer to that can be "yes." Yet, Barr took it upon himself to conclude that there was no obstruction. Congress is going to investigate this extensively I imagine.
 
We knew what Barr was going to say the second he sent that memo. Robert Bork wasn't as bad.
 
So at best case scenario for Trump, there isn’t enough proof that he committed a crime, but he decided to obstruct the “evidence” of such a crime to some extent anyway?
 
So at best case scenario for Trump, there isn’t enough proof that he committed a crime, but he decided to obstruct the “evidence” of such a crime to some extent anyway?

Not exactly, to rephrase your statement - there isn't enough proof that he committed conspiracy, but he decided to obstruct the investigation into that potential crime anyway.
 
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