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The Mueller Report is Delivered

Democrats were so dumb putting so many eggs in this basket instead of focusing on issues that actually impact people's daily lives
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Democrats were so dumb putting so many eggs in this basket instead of focusing on issues that actually impact people's daily lives
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Ehhh, when you have a President who states on national TV that he fired the head of the FBI because he was tired of him investigating whether there were any connections between the President and a foreign country to influence an election, it's a pretty big freaking deal.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Democrats were so dumb putting so many eggs in this basket instead of focusing on issues that actually impact people's daily lives
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Democrats have had a majority in the House for less than 3 months. What exactly were they supposed to do before that?

And none of the current crop of serious candidates are making it a top line message point.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Democrats were so dumb putting so many eggs in this basket instead of focusing on issues that actually impact people's daily lives
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Like record low unemployment for minorities, GDP growth, booming economy, increased consumer buying power, lower crime rates, and better quality of living?

Democrats have become the party of doom and gloom in the face of a growing and healthy nation.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Democrats were so dumb putting so many eggs in this basket instead of focusing on issues that actually impact people's daily lives
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Chasing down possible treason is a pretty worth while endeavor. Also, the pubs spent decades with all their eggs in the Hillary/Obama/Pelosi is corrupt and socialist basket and it worked out pretty well. Hard to blame the Dems for trying out the same strategy. I agree though that it is time to refocus for 2020.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Like record low unemployment for minorities, GDP growth, booming economy, increased consumer buying power, lower crime rates, and better quality of living?

Democrats have become the party of doom and gloom in the face of a growing and healthy nation.
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LOL. Did you watch any of the 2016 Republican convention or Trump’s inaugural speech? That shit was downright dystopian. And yet 95% of Republicans still voted for it.
 
MichDeac25 said:
I just read the Barr summary. There are going to be a lot of continuing questions about this and Congress is going to be having hearings for a while on the full report. Basically, Barr summarizes that Mueller decided Trump and his campaign's actions did not rise to the level of legal "conspiracy", which in fn 1 of the summary is defined as an "agreement", either tacit or express. At the far end of the extreme, this does not mean that Mueller concluded Trump is not Trump is sympathetic to and/or compromised by Russian interests. It simply means that Mueller did not find sufficient legal evidence to prove that Trump legally conspired with the Russians. In this, Guiliani is correct, "collusion" is not a crime. Conspiracy is the crime. And there was not enough evidence to determine that there was an agreement on Trump or his campaign's part to prove conspiracy. I imagine Congress will want to investigate the numerous dalliances between Russia and the Trump campaign even if there was not sufficient evidence of an agreement to conspire to influence the election between the two.

On the obstruction charge, this was Barr's greatest work. Mueller laid out the facts and law on both sides of the equation, including the legal issue of whether the President can be charged with obstrution, as well as the complicated facts. Mueller likely wants the issue debated by Congress. However, Barr took it upon himself to conclude that the DOJ is now the arbiter of whether Trump obstructed justice. Barr decided that Trump did not, and in reaching that conclusion, he relied on the conclusion that there was no evidence of "conpsiracy". So then the question is, if there was not a crime committed that Trump was trying to cover up, could Trump still have tried to obstruct justice by short-circuiting the investigation into whether a crime existed. Clearly the answer to that can be "yes." Yet, Barr took it upon himself to conclude that there was no obstruction. Congress is going to investigate this extensively I imagine.
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Barr himself is the obstruction. It’s just a “legal obstruction.”
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Democrats have had a majority in the House for less than 3 months. What exactly were they supposed to do before that?

And none of the current crop of serious candidates are making it a top line message point.
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I would also argue Dems did not put all of their eggs in this one basket. They barely touched the Russia investigation in the 2018 midterms and have been overly cautious if anything.

It was never trump conservatives like me who were sounding the alarm which I still stand behind 110%.

There were plenty of suspicious events that warranted an investigation of this magnitude, especially given the seriousness of the charges. And there are still a lot of questions that the Barr report does not answer. Hopefully we see some
of these answers in the full release of the Mueller report.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Ehhh, when you have a President who states on national TV that he fired the head of the FBI because he was tired of him investigating whether there were any connections between the President and a foreign country to influence an election, it's a pretty big freaking deal.
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You really don’t have a clue about any of this

I’d recommend staying silent, lest you continue to speak and...well, you know how it goes....
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Like record low unemployment for minorities, GDP growth, booming economy, increased consumer buying power, lower crime rates, and better quality of living?

Democrats have become the party of doom and gloom in the face of a growing and healthy nation.
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And yet in spite of all this wonderful news, Trump still can't get above 45% in the polls. He's at 43.6% approve, to 52.8% disapprove, in today's RCP polling average. It's almost as if there are other issues involved with Trump that have caused vast numbers of people to find him loathsome.
 
Like I said months ago, Mueller is already baked into opinions of Trump. The full report won’t matter either.
 
He would be probably 60-70% approval if this were the 50s, but turns out being a racist piece of shit doesn’t play as well in the modern era
 
We are at least a week away from seeing any meaningful polling following the report release.
 
Deadbolt said:
We are at least a week away from seeing any meaningful polling following the report release.
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I seriously doubt whether the polls are going to change much after this. It defies logic to believe that large numbers of people have been breathlessly awaiting the Mueller Report to decide whether to suddenly support Trump. He's been in office for over two years and has consistently been one of the most divisive presidents in American history. If he can't get above 45% with a good economy, this report's findings aren't going to move the needle very much either, and certainly not in the long term. If nothing else, his offensive tweets and speeches aren't going to stop, nor is the corruption and bungling in his administration, nor are his policies (on immigration, court packing with hard-right judges, racial and gender issues, etc.) that nearly all Democrats and many independents find offensive. It's highly likely that his polling numbers will be about the same a month or two from now as they have been since he was sworn into office.
 
Highland Deac said:
I seriously doubt whether the polls are going to change much after this. It defies logic to believe that large numbers of people have been breathlessly awaiting the Mueller Report to decide whether to suddenly support Trump. He's been in office for over two years and has consistently been one of the most divisive presidents in American history. If he can't get above 45% with a good economy, this report's findings aren't going to move the needle very much either, and certainly not in the long term. If nothing else, his offensive tweets and speeches aren't going to stop, nor is the corruption and bungling in his administration, nor are his policies (on immigration, court packing with hard-right judges, racial and gender issues, etc.) that nearly all Democrats and many independents find offensive. It's highly likely that his polling numbers will be about the same a month or two from now as they have been since he was sworn into office.
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This, there might be a 1-2% bump for Trump but for the most part peoples minds have been made up.
 
Highland Deac said:
I seriously doubt whether the polls are going to change much after this. It defies logic to believe that large numbers of people have been breathlessly awaiting the Mueller Report to decide whether to suddenly support Trump. He's been in office for over two years and has consistently been one of the most divisive presidents in American history. If he can't get above 45% with a good economy, this report's findings aren't going to move the needle very much either, and certainly not in the long term. If nothing else, his offensive tweets and speeches aren't going to stop, nor is the corruption and bungling in his administration, nor are his policies (on immigration, court packing with hard-right judges, racial and gender issues, etc.) that nearly all Democrats and many independents find offensive. It's highly likely that his polling numbers will be about the same a month or two from now as they have been since he was sworn into office.
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I think we should probably expect to see a small bump in his approval numbers that will fade within a few weeks. His polling is remarkably consistent, which is more a commentary on how Americans view other Americans than it is on Trump himself.
 
Deadbolt said:
I think we should probably expect to see a small bump in his approval numbers that will fade within a few weeks. His polling is remarkably consistent, which is more a commentary on how Americans view other Americans than it is on Trump himself.
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I'd figure it'd go up a point or two. The first major dip in his polling came when he fire Comey, so I'd think he might make up some of those points.
 
good day for Trump yesterday, his AG spun his case positively for him. That's what he was hired to do, and Trump's boys got first crack at the spin.

I'm betting here is some real smelly shit in that report, and the Trump team is enjoying what they can from the no collusion angle before it all goes public
 
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