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Reparations

PhDeac said:
We are talking about social policies that address the remnants of these evils in our society. Your take on slavery is ahistorical at best in a society in which inherited wealth is key to success.
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I mean you’re arguing against a guy who thinks that the Constitution must be applied literally as it was written in the 18th century. Of course he’s going to look at this as an ahistorical problem (if a problem in his eyes at all)
 
PhDeac said:
I'm not sure why you all would prefer to build something on a poor foundation before fixing what is broken.
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How are we ever going to fix the foundation of slavery?
 
ONW said:
How are we ever going to fix the foundation of slavery?
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That's the question we're trying to answer. That's what the reparations study would do. Reconstruction was the original answer but it was quickly derailed.
 
PhDeac said:
That's the question we're trying to answer. That's what the reparations study would do. Reconstruction was the original answer but it was quickly derailed.
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Agreed, but what would a study of reparations find? Slaves and their offspring got monumentally fucked...we know that already.
 
PhDeac said:
That's the question we're trying to answer. That's what the reparations study would do. Reconstruction was the original answer but it was quickly derailed.
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Ph, what is your proposal for reparations?
 
ONW said:
Agreed, but what would a study of reparations find? Slaves and their offspring got monumentally fucked...we know that already.
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How to repair the damage. I don't think you understand what's going on here. When people get "fucked" by government policy, government often takes steps to repair it.

Buttermilk, I'm for studying potential solutions. The first step would be to stop monumentally fucking people.

Here's an example of the bigger problem from a seemingly unrelated article on farmers impacted by Trump's trade policy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a32c65-c385-4052-8cd7-5cb4ef2119cc_story.html

“People are starting to say, ‘I don’t know how we’re going to survive this,’ ” said Martinmaas, who voted for Trump in 2016, but says he’s open to a Democrat like Montana Gov. Steve Bullock this time. “You know, we’re the ones taking the brunt of it in all these negotiations, so they need to be kind of helping us out right now.”

Martinmaas, whose family homesteaded this land in 1888, said his farm operation lost more than $700,000 last year. He’s had to put a moratorium on buying new equipment, and he’s stuck with grain bins full of soybeans, because China isn’t buying. Other farmers can’t pay their bills for the hay and grain they bought from him.
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So here is a man who has a family farm because the government allowed his ancestors to take over that land due the Homestead Act that de facto excluded former slaves. Yet this guy thinks the government owes him because he got screwed.

So we fast forward to 2019 and blame individuals for not inheriting multigenerational wealth.
 
kind of hard to believe that people who went to a top 30 university don’t understand
 
ChrisL68 said:
The Japanese reparations were to living persons who had their liberty directly taken by the government.

This is a claim for reparations for wrongs that go back hundreds of years.

The idea of upper class minorities who were born to upper class minorities getting a check based on identity would cause a huge political blowback. I am sure it plays well in certain academic circles however.
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Minorities are only expected a certain level of class mobility? Just because they made it to upper class doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t be even more financially resourced if their family’s starting point wasn’t slavery.
That’s going to be quite the change if we decide not to protect the resources of upper class families. Might even be good for the country, but I don’t imagine it would applied very broadly.
 
This country has aggressively made it harder former slaves to earn, maintain, and transfer wealth from generation to generation while making it easier for former slave owners and white Americans of that time who maintained social and political power over former slaves.

Despite centuries of genocide, the US government has been able to come up with ways to provide reparations for Native Americans through tribal lands, tribal sovereignty, and casinos. Obvious the government and powerful white people keep trying to take those reparations back in many ways but there was something.

Yet some how the sub of slavery is so unique that it cannot be addressed.
 
Junebug said:
And to poor white people who were unable to find work because of slave labor
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Is this a serious post? Those same poor white people fought in the Civil War to protect slavery.

Even today poor white people lose jobs to prison labor and those poor white people fight to maintain high incarceration rates and private prisons.

All those poor white people need to do is fight for equal rights.
 
Junebug said:
And to poor white people who were unable to find work because of slave labor
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Unfortunately, the great majority of those poor Southern whites supported antebellum slavery even though it hurt them economically, and they formed the backbone of the Confederate Army and fought fiercely for four years to keep slavery going in the South. So they're not so much innocent victims as self-inflicted ones. Not unlike current farmers that voted for Trump and still support him, even though they're taking heavy losses and losing their farms due to his trade wars. I'm not so sure they deserve Trump's bailouts, but they're getting them anyway.
 
there are some truly terrible posters on this board if the tags are any indication
 
"Despite centuries of genocide, the US government has been able to come up with ways to provide reparations for Native Americans through tribal lands, tribal sovereignty, and casinos."

This is a scary analogy.
 
ONW said:
"Despite centuries of genocide, the US government has been able to come up with ways to provide reparations for Native Americans through tribal lands, tribal sovereignty, and casinos."

This is a scary analogy.
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What’s scary?
 
I think it’s very inaccurate to say land, sovereignty or casinos are anything close to the same thing as reparations.
 
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