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CA about to blow up NCAA?

How would this effect Wake's recruiting? I guess a Power 5 school could pay more than a G6 or FCS school. With 5,440 P5 $cholarships available, Wake could draw in better players. If a kid can't cut it, we could just run him off the team. There we be no backlash, because the demand for these $cholarship will be more intense. A coach could string along a walk-on for four years. The unintended consequences are numerous.
 
awaken said:
Something has to be done with them? If schools continue with generous full scholarships, fine. If they give partial scholarships due to market rate, fine. Depends on the school mission and finances. Plenty of lower division schools field non-revenue teams.
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Are not most of those scholarships funded by the revenue sports? If that money goes to pay athletes, the non revenue teams will be the ones that suffer.
 
knowell said:
Are not most of those scholarships funded by the revenue sports? If that money goes to pay athletes, the non revenue teams will be the ones that suffer.
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No. It’s just reallocating the money that goes to revenue sports from coaches and facilities to athletes.
 
awaken said:
Something has to be done with them? If schools continue with generous full scholarships, fine. If they give partial scholarships due to market rate, fine. Depends on the school mission and finances. Plenty of lower division schools field non-revenue teams.
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Exactly. Eliminating or reducing the scholarships for all student athletes so that a few student athletes (those that are on pace to make millions anyway) can get paid sooner is terrible idea.
 
They wouldn't have to reduce or eliminate anything if they allowed athletes to get royalties for the use of their image or the athletes owning their image and being paid for the use of it by others.
 
RJKarl said:
They wouldn't have to reduce or eliminate anything if they allowed athletes to get royalties for the use of their image or the athletes owning their image and being paid for the use of it by others.
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Again, that is a very simplistic view. That change would only result in abuse of the system, because, as has already been demonstrated, greater than 99% of college athletes likeness are not worth anything.
 
Rafi said:
Again, that is a very simplistic view. That change would only result in abuse of the system, because, as has already been demonstrated, greater than 99% of college athletes likeness are not worth anything.
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Abuse is possible but I’m not sure how 1% of players benefiting would be abuse.
 
This law has nothing to do with money from schools paying some athletes. If anything allowing the university to pay athletes market rates will create a total abuse of the system. How much would Ohio State or Bama be allowed to pay from their $100M athletic department budgets?

You have never answered how scholarships at most schools are fair trade. I showed that at state colleges and universities, these athletes would be getting $15/hour or less when you include games, lifting, practice, class, homework and events they have to attend.

Remember P5 (P6 in basketball) schools have coaches making millions of dollars per year. How is it fair that they make that and players who make them rich can't afford to go out on a date or for a pizza?
 
PhDeac said:
Abuse is possible but I’m not sure how 1% of players benefiting would be abuse.
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That’s the point. The abuse will be across the board. Someone in Alabama will decide to pay all football players $50,000 - every player - and then will use their likeness on billboard featuring the team. This will then occur in Ohio, and then Florida, Louisiana, etc. Then, agents and wannabe agents will want a piece of the action, and it will just continue from there.
 
RJKarl said:
This law has nothing to do with money from schools paying some athletes. If anything allowing the university to pay athletes market rates will create a total abuse of the system. How much would Ohio State or Bama be allowed to pay from their $100M athletic department budgets?

You have never answered how scholarships at most schools are fair trade. I showed that at state colleges and universities, these athletes would be getting $15/hour or less when you include games, lifting, practice, class, homework and events they have to attend.

Remember P5 (P6 in basketball) schools have coaches making millions of dollars per year. How is it fair that they make that and players who make them rich can't afford to go out on a date or for a pizza?
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RJ, it’s like you’re not even reading the discussion. Student athletes are not employees. That’s why they don’t pay taxes on their compensation. That’s why the field hockey team is compensated well over their “market value.” That’s why the “fair trade” discussion makes little sense.

And your last paragraph? C’mon. Student athletes get unlimited meals. Plus they get a stipend. Of course they can get some pizza.
 
PhDeac said:
No. It’s just reallocating the money that goes to revenue sports from coaches and facilities to athletes.
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No, it's not. If schools are forced to pay their revenue generating athletes, do you honestly think they will reduce the budget in other areas for those teams? If anything, they'll allocate even more resources that way in order to make the additional player investment worthwhile. It will be a net negative for all non-revenue sports.
 
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Rafi said:
RJ, it’s like you’re not even reading the discussion. Student athletes are not employees. That’s why they don’t pay taxes on their compensation. That’s why the field hockey team is compensated well over their “market value.” That’s why the “fair trade” discussion makes little sense.

And your last paragraph? C’mon. Student athletes get unlimited meals. Plus they get a stipend. Of course they can get some pizza.
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I am reading the discussion. Your position is totally extreme. In your world, athletes should be happy to work 40-60 hours per week year around and get almost nothing for it while they create tens of millions of dollars for the school, the coaches and even advertisers.

Rafi, your last paragraph shows you don't much about the way things actually work for lots of poor kids on scholarship. That stipend covers things like clothes, laundry, toiletries and other necessities.
 
RJ, are you saying that the payment would be from royalties from outside the school/NCAA? I mean video games, magazine covers, and such. If so, I can see a one time payment after the school year ends (in june, after the CWS). If the NCAA or school has to pay, we are asking for trouble.
 
There's going to be problems regardless. You have to ask for more than you can get and then negotiate down.
 
RJKarl said:
I am reading the discussion. Your position is totally extreme. In your world, athletes should be happy to work 40-60 hours per week year around and get almost nothing for it while they create tens of millions of dollars for the school, the coaches and even advertisers.

Rafi, your last paragraph shows you don't much about the way things actually work for lots of poor kids on scholarship. That stipend covers things like clothes, laundry, toiletries and other necessities.
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Classes and homework is what every student has to do, regardless if they are paying to go to college or being paid to do so. No athlete spends 40-60 a week on required non-academics.
 
This is like watching two sides argue about two different points.

Student athletes in revenue sports could be, and should be, paid a significantly higher stipend (which would reduce the massive P5 revenue school coach salaries and facilities investments and probably hurt the non revenue sports). That could happen at most of the P5 schools but if would have to be flat across the board otherwise it will simply turn college sports into pro sports without a salary cap and you'll have the Dodger and the Cubs, aka tOSU and Alabama outspending everyone else. Allowing athletes to be paid what the market can bear for their likeness will result in basically football in the 70's where schools with the deepest pocketed boosters pay for the best players. It will be like the Pony Express but out in the open.

As long as the NCAA is content to be the minor leagues for football and continue the charade of the one-and-done this problem will exist.
 
One and done will be effectively over within the next 2-3 years when the CBA is changed. Silver and the NBAPA agree on this.
 
Sail with the Pilot into the sea, when the ship wrecks it's because of the money. Thanks Nike, One and Dones, the NBA and BB&T for helping to destroy college sports. One day, in the future, there will be no need for season tickets. All games will be played and bett on through video games.
 
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PhDeac said:
I don’t find it ridiculous. It’s just not the only way to pay student athletes.
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I find it enough to "pay" student athletes the ability to go to school for free for 4-5 years and get a $350,000 education at a great school like Wake Forest while playing football. If they take full advantage of that they can go out here in the work force and get themselves a job making 6 figures or start their own companies. Thus they have taken advantage of their opportunity that Wake Forest has given them!
 
RJKarl said:
Rafi, your last paragraph shows you don't much about the way things actually work for lots of poor kids on scholarship. That stipend covers things like clothes, laundry, toiletries and other necessities.
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Wrong. Athletes get clothes, lots of clothes (athletic clothes, shoes, polos, blazers, casual clothes, dress pants, etc), and they don’t come out of their stipend. They also have their laundry done for them, and it doesn’t come out of their stipend. Did you ever meet Sarge Tinga? Every school now has multiple Sarges.

You really shouldn’t write authoritatively about things you don’t know. It really weakens you arguments.
 
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