Ball State Deac
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I was being sarcastic. I think you Shoo was saying that impeachment should help the electoral process.
I do not think it would help.
I was being sarcastic. I think you Shoo was saying that impeachment should help the electoral process.
I do not think it would help.
I do not think it would help.
I don't understand this trying to play chess against Trump and the GOP like...trying to see 5 moves ahead to what will or won't help Trump's chances in 2020. The dude isn't thinking about the next word coming out of his mouth when he's speaking, much less making calculated judgments about what will and won't keep him electable. Yet the Dems are convinced they have to strategize and play game theory instead of just doing the god damn right thing. The coward label that has been applied to Dems for decades has never been as easily demonstrated as it is right now.
Why? We saw how the Clinton impeachment helped Republicans win two close elections in 2000 and 2016.
Clinton's approval ratings sky-rocketed during impeachment. I'm not sure impeachment helped in 2000 or 2016. The fact that Clinton is/was a philandering dirt bag did not help.
well the Gore campaign regarded him as damaged goods and didn't want him anywhere near the campaign
You might be right. My dad is convinced Biden is the only one who can beat Trump.
I don't understand this trying to play chess against Trump and the GOP like...trying to see 5 moves ahead to what will or won't help Trump's chances in 2020. The dude isn't thinking about the next word coming out of his mouth when he's speaking, much less making calculated judgments about what will and won't keep him electable. Yet the Dems are convinced they have to strategize and play game theory instead of just doing the god damn right thing. The coward label that has been applied to Dems for decades has never been as easily demonstrated as it is right now.
Clinton's approval ratings sky-rocketed during impeachment. I'm not sure impeachment helped in 2000 or 2016. The fact that Clinton is/was a philandering dirt bag did not help.
The impression I got back then, and I've always thought this since the 2000 election, is that to some extent voters took out their anger and ambivalent feelings about Bill on Gore. That's not the only reason Gore lost, but I do think it's an important one. Polls at the time showed that while voters didn't think Bill should be impeached, and approved of the job he was doing as president, they also didn't trust him or his character and felt that he had no integrity. So while he skated, the rest of the Democratic Party took a beating during much of his presidency, and Gore lost in 2000. It's not too difficult to argue that while Bill came through his presidency and impeachment OK, his party and vice-president didn't.
There is a tweet floating around with the little maga girl and a young girl from the movie 42 mashed up that makes me want to cry. This shit isn’t going anywhere.
https://twitter.com/francismmaxwell/status/1151864591762280449?s=21
The impeachment hearings were successful in that the continued to remind the public of this fact. Just like a current impeachment hearing could continue to drive home the point that Trump will stop at nothing to obstruct justice and solicit foreign influence in an election.