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Pinstripe Bowl vs Michigan State

Deaconblue said:
Correct. 1949 to 1979 between bowls. The ACC title team got no respect and no bowl.
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That team was 6-5 I believe so with about 11 total bowl games back then I don't think that was going to get you anywhere with that record. Besides the normal suspects of bowls back then you had the little known Pasadena Bowl where Long Beach State played Louisville. Ga Tech was #13 with a 9-3 record & #20 was at tie between OK at 7-4-1 & Ole Miss at 7-4. Thinking back to what Peahead Walker accomplished and the number of 6 win seasons he had, Peahead would have gone to about 10 bowls with Wake Forest in today's climate.
 
Deaconblue said:
Correct. 1949 to 1979 between bowls. The ACC title team got no respect and no bowl.
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True. No bowl for the 1970 Wake championship game, but UNC (who we beat in one of the greatest games in Groves/BBT) went to the Peach Bowl. 8-4 UNC played a softer schedule, while we played at two top 10 ranked teams - Nebraska and Tennessee. We also traveled to 7-4 FSU (then an independent).
 
Our teams in the sixties and early seventies weren't great but playing a murderer's row non-conference schedule mostly on the road never gave these teams too much of a chance to win
 
Wake had to play a brutal OOC on the road in the 60's/70's to make ends meet financially. However, there is an ACC championship trophy to verify the ability of the 1970 team.

A point to consider. D.C. (Peahead) Walker is the best football coach in Wake Forest history. His record is 77-51-6. He compiled that record by playing 33 home games, 20 neutral site games and 81 road games during his career.. 75% away from home. The Deacons made the rankings in six of his final seven seasons. IIRC, his time at Wake ended when he was refused a raise after the 1950 season. A worthy target for Clawson to emulate.
 
Pilchard said:
WF went to the Gator Bowl (beat S. Carolina) after the 1945 season (the game was played on New Years Day 1946).

WF went to the Dixie Bowl, in Birmingham (lost to Baylor) after the 1948 season (the game was played on New Years Day 1949).

After the Dixie Bowl and before the 1979 Tangerine Bowl appearance against LSU, WF had a winning or .500 record, eight times in 31 seasons (including zero winning seasons between 1959 and 1970).

So, by today's standards, WF would've gone bowling a few times during that three decade+ bowl drought. Incredibly, the 1970 WF ACC Champion team did not go to a bowl as they went 6-5, playing a brutal OOC schedule losing OOC games to top 10 Nebraska, top 10 Tennessee, FSU (and independent at the time) and #19 Houston. WF also played and beat VT in an OOC game that year. No bunnies on that 1970 schedule.
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I think we were 6-5 one year and still didn't get an invite, which bummed a lot of people. Can't recall who was the coach but it was the "modern era" of bowl expansion....
 
80deacon said:
I think we were 6-5 one year and still didn't get an invite, which bummed a lot of people. Can't recall who was the coach but it was the "modern era" of bowl expansion....
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2001. Grobe’s first season. We won the 9/11 make up game vs NIU to get a 6th win.
 
Hard to believe we used to have 11 game schedules when we can do 12 games with two bye weeks now.
 
shogun6066 said:
Having literally moved back to NC from CA three weeks ago after seven years living out there... THIS.
Please forgive my off topic comments:
California is a hot mess of insane economic disparity.
Sure, it has a massive GDP for itself. What that fact doesn't tell anyone is, the vast majority of that wealth is owned and controlled by about 5% or less of CA's population. Hollywood, Tech Sec, and foriegn billionaires. Yet, people keep going there, mostly from overseas, thinking "American Dream."
Brear Rabbit and the Tar Baby, writ large.
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But wait, bill George- getting his foxnews cues to goad rjkarl, is calling it socialist. Does his well informed info trump your immersion living there? Or is he fake news? Maybe you were fake living???
 
My preferences in order are:
1) Orange Bowl
2) Citrus Bowl
3) Camping World Bowl
4) Sun Bowl
5) Music City Bowl
6) Belk Bowl

If we fall below this tier, it will be heartbreaking. I'd rather play in a bowl we haven't played in recently and against an SEC, Pac 12, or Big 12 team. I think that Big 10 football is boring and would rather not play them (unless it's Michigan or Penn St or Wisconsin)
 
Sun Bowl is at the bottom of the list for me. Expensive trip and a difficult spot to get to. Music City and Belk are tied for me after the first three. Have good friends that live in Nashville and obviously Charlotte is an easy trip and a fun spot to hang out with tens of thousands of Wake fans.
 
Charlotte would be disappointing this year as it would feel like we fell there rather than rising up to get it 2 years ago. Plus, we were there 2 years ago and play probably a bigger opponent there next year anyway.
 
El Paso over Nashville? It will be disappointing if we don't make the Orange or Citrus/Camping.
 
PhDeac said:
Hard to believe we used to have 11 game schedules when we can do 12 games with two bye weeks now.
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Normally 12 games with one bye week, this year is an exception due to the way the calendar falls. Will be back to one bye week next year with Labor Day being later. They didn't used to play many games on Thanksgiving weekend other than a few big rivalry games, that is a relatively new thing over the last 15-20 years.
 
wakelaw13 said:
El Paso over Nashville? It will be disappointing if we don't make the Orange or Citrus/Camping.
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El Paso would be cool if we got to play USC. A win of a big name program always looks good. Otherwise I am all about the Music City Bowl, nothing better than Honky Tonking all day and then crossing the bridge to Nissan Stadium (that is if Orange Bowl doesn't happen).
 
Camping bowl and citrus bowl are both in the same stadium in Orlando. Weird.
 
In the 70s, there wasn't a deep well of TV money. Wake had to play at OK, at NE, at Penn State, at Michigan and other places to pay for the team and a few bucks for the university.
 
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CreamyGoodness said:
Is Camping World the new Gator bowl? And Citrus replace Peach?
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BeachBumDeac said:
Camping bowl and citrus bowl are both in the same stadium in Orlando. Weird.
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Camping World is the only Russell Athletic/Champs Sports/Blockbuster Bowl. It’s been at the same stadium as the Citrus/Tangerine/Capital One Bowl for several years.
 
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