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2020 College Basketball Coaching Carousel

DeacsATS said:
The fightin’ Wes Millers have a good chance to take down Kansas tonight.

Might as well get the Wes to Wake hype machine going early this year.
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Also known as: The Magical Donny Ross Crank Yankin' Tour
 
How many times has Wes failed to do what plenty of other teams have and beat Wake?
 
shogun6066 said:
Fair enough. I don't blame you.
Still don't think Wes should be our next coach. At least not yet.
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Agreed, would I trade him for Manning? Absolutely but that doesn't mean I think he is the best coaching choice for our job, not yet at least
 
sportsnut1 said:
Agreed, would I trade him for Manning? Absolutely but that doesn't mean I think he is the best coaching choice for our job, not yet at least
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Yup agreed. There really is a little talent here and there on our team but i think Manning's WAR is like -10. K (or someone else competent) would figure out a way to at least get them to mediocre (vs terribad)
 
Add Evansville to the list. Walter McCarty suspended for "unwelcome conduct".

And NC A&T State University also has an interim coach.
 
tvcigar said:
Add Evansville to the list. Walter McCarty suspended for "unwelcome conduct".

And NC A&T State University also has an interim coach.
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Yeah. Looks like the carousel is starting to have its tarp taken off and the axles greased up.
 
tvcigar said:
Add Evansville to the list. Walter McCarty suspended for "unwelcome conduct".

And NC A&T State University also has an interim coach.
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McCarty is being investigated for possible violations of Title IX. Not a situation for a long career.
 
PhDeac said:
How many times has Wes failed to do what plenty of other teams have and beat Wake?
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[Redacted] beat WF as an opposing coach.

That should NOT be a criteria
 
[Redacted] beat an awful Wake team. Why would we want a coach who can’t be historically bad Wake teams?
 
PhDeac said:
[Redacted] beat an awful Wake team. Why would we want a coach who can’t be historically bad Wake teams?
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that 06-07 team was more mediocre than awful. They beat a ranked sweet 16 bound Vandy team a couple of games before the AF beatdown.

Tony Bennett lost to an 8 win WF team (worst ever) in 10/11 & again to a 13 win WF team in 13/14.
Tom Crean lost to an 11 win WF team in 15/16 with a sweet 16 bound team
Jim Boeheim lost to an 11 win WF team in 17/18 (also a sweet 16 team)
Leonard Hamilton also lost to that 11 win WF team in 17/18 (elite 8 team)
Mike Brey lost to another 11 win WF team in 18/19
Jim Larranaga lost to WF teams w/ 13, 13, & 11 wins.

point being a lot of good coaches (with much better teams than UNCG) have lost to bad WF teams. Sure most of the above have also beat bad WF teams. Miller is 0-4 vs bad WF teams with 2 of those losses were in his 1st couple of years with bad UNCG teams. The most recent 2 losses were by 3 & 6 points.

I don't really have a opinion on whether Miller would be a good hire, but it seems like his record vs bad WF teams is an insignificant criteria to make a decision.
 
It's one thing to lose once to a bad Wake team, but doing it over and over is quite different. Add to that, I believe HOF Wes is something like 0-25+ versus Top 25 teams. By accident, a truly good coach would have won one or two.
 
devi8 said:
that 06-07 team was more mediocre than awful. They beat a ranked sweet 16 bound Vandy team a couple of games before the AF beatdown.

Tony Bennett lost to an 8 win WF team (worst ever) in 10/11 & again to a 13 win WF team in 13/14.
Tom Crean lost to an 11 win WF team in 15/16 with a sweet 16 bound team
Jim Boeheim lost to an 11 win WF team in 17/18 (also a sweet 16 team)
Leonard Hamilton also lost to that 11 win WF team in 17/18 (elite 8 team)
Mike Brey lost to another 11 win WF team in 18/19
Jim Larranaga lost to WF teams w/ 13, 13, & 11 wins.

point being a lot of good coaches (with much better teams than UNCG) have lost to bad WF teams. Sure most of the above have also beat bad WF teams. Miller is 0-4 vs bad WF teams with 2 of those losses were in his 1st couple of years with bad UNCG teams. The most recent 2 losses were by 3 & 6 points.

I don't really have a opinion on whether Miller would be a good hire, but it seems like his record vs bad WF teams is an insignificant criteria to make a decision.
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well said. personally, miller isn’t my first or second choice but it’s awfully clear he is a solid coach and would be a legitimate hire (unlike someone like ryan odom)
 
IAppreciateIt said:
well said. personally, miller isn’t my first or second choice but it’s awfully clear he is a solid coach and would be a legitimate hire (unlike someone like ryan odom)
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Wes hasn't done what many other coaches at his level have done, and that is beat a really good team. Through motivation, scheme, emotion, or whatever, many coaches, including Ryan Odom, have gotten their team to beat a top 25 team. A Wes Miller led team won't likely have Stetson and Houston Baptist type losses. I don't see likely wins over top 5 teams based on his existing resume.
 
Deaconblue said:
Wes hasn't done what many other coaches at his level have done, and that is beat a really good team. Through motivation, scheme, emotion, or whatever, many coaches, including Ryan Odom, have gotten their team to beat a top 25 team. A Wes Miller led team won't likely have Stetson and Houston Baptist type losses. I don't see likely wins over top 25 teams based on his existing resume.
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FIFY
 
Deaconblue said:
Wes hasn't done what many other coaches at his level have done, and that is beat a really good team. Through motivation, scheme, emotion, or whatever, many coaches, including Ryan Odom, have gotten their team to beat a top 25 team. A Wes Miller led team won't likely have Stetson and Houston Baptist type losses. I don't see likely wins over top 5 teams based on his existing resume.
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This year, UNCG beat Georgetown on the road. G'town at 10-3 is a projected to be a NCAA tourney team with wins over OK State (road), SMU (road), Cuse and Texas. In 2018, UNCG won on the road at State. That State team went 11-7 in the ACC and made the tournament (FWIW, since the infamous "nut-punch" game on March 6, 2005, WF has won once at State in 14 tries, that includes two loses under Skip and 0-3 under Gaudio). Miller took on a UNCG program that was in the gutter (they were #284 when he took over), with very little resources, and they are now a top 100 team (actually in the 70 to 85 range) for the third year in a row -- with an evolving set of players. That is the ceiling (and probably above the ceiling) for anyone coaching at UNCG. It's no longer a fluke, or a coach riding a single talented player. Not saying Miller should get offered the WF job, just that he has proven he can build a program and sustain it. Miller should be on the candidate list. There are grounds to conclude that Miller could coach on a Power V level and have that team as a regular NCAA tourney participant.
 
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Agree with Pilchard.

Wes isn’t my top pick, but we could do a heck of a lot worse.

I suspect he’ll be leaving UNCG in the next year or two... Somebody will give him a shot.
 
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