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Donavon Greene

DeacAssured said:
This is not popular to say here but the notion that a WF player the coach puts on the field is not ready to play in Death Valley and deal with the sound without jitters and shakes is lame. Forget competition for ACC Championships if you don’t have players prepared and ready to go in Death Valley and play up to the level of their own game.
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It’s not that it’s not popular to say, it’s just dumb to say.
 
Players and coaches repeatedly say WF players seek to compete in loud venues and feed off the opposing crowd noise. Changing that tune to an excuse doesn’t work except if you’re good with making excuses for being unprepared.
 
DeacAssured said:
This is not popular to say here but the notion that a WF player the coach puts on the field is not ready to play in Death Valley and deal with the sound without jitters and shakes is lame. Forget competition for ACC Championships if you don’t have players prepared and ready to go in Death Valley and play up to the level of their own game.
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You never got jitters on the first tee in golf? Shooting a free throw to win a game? On a 3 foot putt to win a tournament? You must be a robot. You ain’t human.
 
wfu22fan said:
You never got jitters on the first tee in golf? Shooting a free throw to win a game? On a 3 foot putt to win a tournament? You must be a robot. You ain’t human.
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Sure, people get jitters - but, this isn't a free throw or a golf shot. This is football. As soon as you run down the field and get hit a couple of times the jitters go away and the crowd should just bring energy and adrenalin.
 
Was wondering what was going on in this thread to keep it going 7 pages...of course that’s what’s it was
 
scooter84 said:
Sure, people get jitters - but, this isn't a free throw or a golf shot. This is football. As soon as you run down the field and get hit a couple of times the jitters go away and the crowd should just bring energy and adrenalin.
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Definitely. It’s why playing at home is actually a hindrance, right?
 
DG did fine. He's a freshmen, but he's no longer a rookie. He'll get better and better. A tip of the cap the Chase Jones for 6 Tackles with a TFL. Our young guys didn't excel , but they did survive without injury and learned a lot. Now take it out on Duke.
 
scooter84 said:
Sure, people get jitters - but, this isn't a free throw or a golf shot. This is football. As soon as you run down the field and get hit a couple of times the jitters go away and the crowd should just bring energy and adrenalin.
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Since I gave up football after the 7th grade, I didn’t know that. But I would think that a receiver uses muscles in his hands and arms which are vulnerable to jittery nerves. A RB, linebacker, lineman, etc just knocks the hell out of people or vice versa all game. Receivers have to run precise routes, tip toe on sidelines and catch the ball. It would seem that lack of experience/reps and game pressure would affect them more. As Clawson said, maybe the short term pain suffered by the young receivers in the Clemson game will pay off with long term gains.
 
wfu22fan said:
Since I gave up football after the 7th grade, I didn’t know that. But I would think that a receiver uses muscles in his hands and arms which are vulnerable to jittery nerves. A RB, linebacker, lineman, etc just knocks the hell out of people or vice versa all game. Receivers have to run precise routes, tip toe on sidelines and catch the ball. It would seem that lack of experience/reps and game pressure would affect them more. As Clawson said, maybe the short term pain suffered by the young receivers in the Clemson game will pay off with long term gains.
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Which is why you typically don't expect young players to make an immediate impact at WR.
 
I don't think Sage would have made much of a difference. Our slow developing plays against a quick defense are not going to fare well.
 
WFFaithful said:
I don't think Sage would have made much of a difference. Our slow developing plays against a quick defense are not going to fare well.
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Sage would probably draw double team coverage a lot. So would have Scotty. That takes two out of the box to help with the run game. The young guys didn't draw double teams and were shut down by single coverage.

Also there is the comfort factor with Sage. Newman knows that "vicinity passes" are good enough for Sage. And that "50/50" balls are really about 90/10 Sage catches. So Newman will be a little more confident, and not think he has to be perfect with every throw.

Does this change the result? Not in the W/L, but Wake would have played better offense with their top two receivers at full go.
 
Deaconblue said:
Sage would probably draw double team coverage a lot. So would have Scotty. That takes two out of the box to help with the run game. The young guys didn't draw double teams and were shut down by single coverage.

Also there is the comfort factor with Sage. Newman knows that "vicinity passes" are good enough for Sage. And that "50/50" balls are really about 90/10 Sage catches. So Newman will be a little more confident, and not think he has to be perfect with every throw.

Does this change the result? Not in the W/L, but Wake would have played better offense with their top two receivers at full go.
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No doubt! We had 2-3 plays where we did everything needed to convert a first down, except catch the ball. Those would have been conversions.
 
PhDeac said:
Which is why you typically don't expect young players to make an immediate impact at WR.
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Sure you don’t expect Greene to make an immediate impact. All should expect the other 2s and QB to play well. If you don’t and you coach to low expectations you’ll get the outcome expected. It’s reasonable to ask if that happened to some degree in Death Valley ONLY because we play there every 2 years.
 
IIRC, Clawson's reaction when questioned at halftime was surprise and dismayed that the receivers were getting no separation.
 
scooter84 said:
Sure, people get jitters - but, this isn't a free throw or a golf shot. This is football. As soon as you run down the field and get hit a couple of times the jitters go away and the crowd should just bring energy and adrenalin.
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DG was not ready - most frosh aren't, but this is just silly. Betting lines routinely include a 3 to 4 points home field advantage.
 
BlackjackMc said:
IIRC, Clawson's reaction when questioned at halftime was surprise and dismayed that the receivers were getting no separation.
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Thank you. At game so missed broadcast of his reaction in real time at half time which sounds much better.
He is building a program, I know.
 
91deac said:
DG was not ready - most frosh aren't, but this is just silly. Betting lines routinely include a 3 to 4 points home field advantage.
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No shit. There are a lot of reasons for that. I was not trying to say there is no such thing as home field advantage. My point was that the jitters a player might get playing in front of a big, hostile crowd - especially a freshman in their first game - aren't debilitating. Once the kid gets on the field and gets in the flow they should be able to play and contribute. A loud crowd creates excitement = adrenaline. Hell, a kid playing his first game in front of his home crowd is going to have jitters as well.
 
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