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  1. #4841
    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    The federal government should be in charge of distribution and there should be vaccinations at every post office and federal building in the country.
    I'd love to be in the very cold refrigerator business in this hypothetical.

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    The purpose of a convenient location is to store the vaccine in arms not a freezer. Keep the vaccine in the original storage vessel. We canít treat this like a budget issue. If it costs a shit ton of money to transport vaccines and medical staff to East BFE, AR then so be it. This is too important.

  3. #4843
    Quote Originally Posted by TenaciousKory View Post
    projected deaths based on case-death lag


  4. #4844
    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTannen View Post
    That's great and all, but people have to be trained to administer vaccinations and they have to be refrigereated or kept frozen. It's easier to set up a tent in a medical office building parking lot than convert a 2,000 sf post office into a vaccination center while continuing post office operations.
    Training someone to give a vaccine takes about 5 minutes. It couldn't be more simple.

    The challenges are: vaccine has to be kept in a special cooler and then thawed and used, massive demand, the need to monitor people for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine, the need to have staff at every site that can treat a potential anaphylactic reaction, and the need to not create super spreader events at the vaccine location.

  5. #4845
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    Training someone to give a vaccine takes about 5 minutes. It couldn't be more simple.

    The challenges are: vaccine has to be kept in a special cooler and then thawed and used, massive demand, the need to monitor people for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine, the need to have staff at every site that can treat a potential anaphylactic reaction, and the need to not create super spreader events at the vaccine location.
    I'm as pro-vaccine as the next guy, but I think I'd pass on getting one from my local mailman after he received a 5-minute training session

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    Yes, I had a discussion yesterday with someone about training on vaccinations, so I'm aware of that. However, I doubt that we have a corps of vaccination trainers on hand and a group of prescreened vaccinators ready to go after five minutes of training. Based on our government's response, we'll have herd immunity in place by the time we have people tranied go administer the vaccine. The time to have put together the training program was months ago.

  7. #4847
    Quote Originally Posted by OldGoldBeard View Post
    I'm as pro-vaccine as the next guy, but I think I'd pass on getting one from my local mailman after he received a 5-minute training session
    Lol. Same here. Given the state of my mail delivery the past 5 years I only trust the USPS with junk mail.

  8. #4848
    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTannen View Post
    Yes, I had a discussion yesterday with someone about training on vaccinations, so I'm aware of that. However, I doubt that we have a corps of vaccination trainers on hand and a group of prescreened vaccinators ready to go after five minutes of training. Based on our government's response, we'll have herd immunity in place by the time we have people tranied go administer the vaccine. The time to have put together the training program was months ago.
    There are more than enough CMAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, pharmacists, and physicians. The training can be accomplished by watching a video. But there is currently no centralized plan for any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    There are more than enough CMAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, pharmacists, and physicians. The training can be accomplished by watching a video. But there is currently no centralized plan for any of this.
    But aren't all of those people currently doing something else ? Granted, there should be mobilization and prioritization for the vaccine, but to date, that hasn't happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGoldBeard View Post
    I'm as pro-vaccine as the next guy, but I think I'd pass on getting one from my local mailman after he received a 5-minute training session
    seems elitist and dismissive of mail carriers

    if the bottom feeders of my HS class can get certified to be nurse assistants and work in nursing homes and what not administering medication, im sure basically anyone can learn to give an injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTannen View Post
    But aren't all of those people currently doing something else ? Granted, there should be mobilization and prioritization for the vaccine, but to date, that hasn't happened.
    No. Some are very busy - those covering inpatient units. But many med centers have shut down elective surgeries, so surgical offices and operating rooms are not nearly as busy as usual. Plus, many of these workers could work extra night or weekend shifts giving vaccines. But there is no organized plan, nor extra payment to encourage these workers (though some would likely do it on a volunteer basis).

  12. #4852
    The mixing of the vaccine is probably the only hinderance not the actual administration of it. That shit is going IM into the arm, jam it hard, jam it soft, jam it anywhere itís going in and going to work. Its like lining up with Makoís mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheCaptain View Post
    seems elitist and dismissive of mail carriers

    if the bottom feeders of my HS class can get certified to be nurse assistants and work in nursing homes and what not administering medication, im sure basically anyone can learn to give an injection
    I have an aunt and uncle who were letter carriers.

    If it makes you feel better, I'd pass on getting a vaccine from you after a 5-minute training session too.

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    so many golden arms around here

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    For those that are hesitant about the 5 minute video tech administering the vaccine, what do you think will happen?

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    when my wife and i were trying to have baby #2, she had to inject herself with hormones for the fertility treatment. they literally gave her the script with zero instruction other than what came in the box with the needle. nothing from doctor, nurses or the pharmacist

    just - here's some hormones and a syringe you have to fill yourself. figure it out!
    Last edited by ImTheCaptain; 01-13-2021 at 04:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Gossett Jr View Post
    The mixing of the vaccine is probably the only hinderance not the actual administration of it. That shit is going IM into the arm, jam it hard, jam it soft, jam it anywhere itís going in and going to work. Its like lining up with Makoís mom.
    Hot dog in a hallway

  18. #4858
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheCaptain View Post
    when my wife and i were trying to have baby #2, she had to inject herself with hormones for the fertility treatment they literally gave her the script with zero instruction other than what came in the box with the needle. nothing from doctor, nurses or the pharmacist

    just - here's some hormones and a syringe you have to fill yourself. figure it out!
    we had to do that as well in wife's lower abdomen. and we were often given specific times in which to do it. one time we did it parked in a car in downtown Clemson before heading to the stadium for the Wake game. friends parked and waited outside the car for us.

  19. #4859
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    There are more than enough CMAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, pharmacists, and physicians. The training can be accomplished by watching a video. But there is currently no centralized plan for any of this.
    Dentists should be included also. Feels like injecting gums, which they do everyday, would be much more difficult than injecting an arm. Also, some states allow optometrists to intraocularly inject their patients and they have to pass a class on it in order to get their license. Think NC is one of those states. They should absolutely be allowed to administer vaccines as well in those states.
    Last edited by texasdeac; 01-13-2021 at 06:43 PM.

  20. #4860
    Looks like quite a few states allow dentists to administer the vaccine already.

    https://success.ada.org/en/practice-...r-dentists-map

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