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what other mortgage/rental assistance programs, if any, did the $2 trillion relief package create?

serious question, links appreciated

None really that I'm aware of. Moratorium on foreclosures (this will be needed for much longer than 4 months).

The temporary forbearance works much better if those payments are lumped onto the back end of the loan, I agree. However, there probably needs to be some sort of documentation of hardship rather than the current system where you can literally just go online/call in and verbally verify you've been affected. I misspoke earlier by the way. We're up above 4% of our portfolio on the COVID forbearance plan in barely over a week.

But the government entities that guaranty the loans have to forgive/defre those payments from mortgage companies as well, or virtually all servicers would go bankrupt in 4 months. That is being discussed, as I understand. Seems so simple, I'm sure they'll screw it up.
 
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There needs to be a moratorium on negative credit reporting or this harm families for many years to come.
 
Those lines are full of people who have been paying taxes to the federal government for years, decades, and in their time of great need, they're only going to get at most $1200.
 
Yeah, if anything this pandemic helps shine a light at the very dark underbelly of America. Not just healthcare related but just overall quality of life, everyone knew the statistics, 60% of people couldn't cover a 500 dollar emergency, majority living paycheck to paycheck. So what happens to those people that lose their jobs suddenly and no longer even have the option to find another job. Without additionally government intervention back to depression era bread lines we go.
 
There needs to be a moratorium on negative credit reporting or this harm families for many years to come.

Yes, that's always included as part of any forbearance plan. The problem is what happens when that plan is over - they need to quickly reinstate the loan, enter into a repayment plan, loan modification, or pursue liquidation options, or negative credit reporting will resume.

Mortgage companies need to start hiring TONS of default management employees, but servicers are going to have no capital (without government assistance) to do so. I started in that field, and have already volunteered to help at my company, even though it will involve a mountain of work (almost assuredly for no extra pay) compared to my cushy partnership management job now.

It's brutal to have to tell someone you've exhausted all available workout options to try to help them save their dream home, and they have to sell it (or deed it back if underwater) to avoid foreclosure. But it's awesome to see/hear the joy in people's faces/voices when you're able to keep them in their house and provide an affordable payment option. Had one shrimper from Louisiana try to mail me 100 lbs of fresh shrimp to thank me around 2012. Politely declined. Also helped an avocado farm owner from a Texas border town who claimed his son had been kidnapped by a cartel - never verified what happened (we knew the FBI was involved), but the dude was a wreck.
 
Those lines are full of people who have been paying taxes to the federal government for years, decades, and in their time of great need, they're only going to get at most $1200.

Agree 100% that the amounts we pay in federal taxes is ridiculous and borderline criminal.

It's heartwarming to see Ph and I can find common ground on an issue.
 
You would think that someone like RJ who lived and was apparently active in the 60-70’s would understand that a vast majority of companies and wealthy people will do the least possible to help others unless you pass laws that force them to act humanly. Regardless of what they highlight on social media its a drop in the bucket to what they save on staggeringly low taxation.
 
Agree 100% that the amounts we pay in federal taxes is ridiculous and borderline criminal.

It's heartwarming to see Ph and I can find common ground on an issue.

1)downplay the threat, ignore science and facts, unnecessarily kill 10 times as many Americans; voter suppression, judges, and handouts to those who kiss the President's ass
2)listen to facts and science, save lives

Republicans: Number 1!!!! Were number one! MAGA! Stupid liberal elites! REAL AMERICANS SUPPORT THERE PRESIDENT! Deep state media is trying to take him down!
 
Yeah, if anything this pandemic helps shine a light at the very dark underbelly of America. Not just healthcare related but just overall quality of life, everyone knew the statistics, 60% of people couldn't cover a 500 dollar emergency, majority living paycheck to paycheck. So what happens to those people that lose their jobs suddenly and no longer even have the option to find another job. Without additionally government intervention back to depression era bread lines we go.

I hear you, but the only people that needed a light shined were people that didn't bother to look themselves anyways.

It wasn't hidden information if you gave a shit.
 
Agree 100% that the amounts we pay in federal taxes is ridiculous and borderline criminal.

It's heartwarming to see Ph and I can find common ground on an issue.



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Agree 100% that the amounts we pay in federal taxes is ridiculous and borderline criminal.

It's heartwarming to see Ph and I can find common ground on an issue.
Well you can always renounce your US citizenship and move to the Cayman Islands or Vanuatu. I doubt anybody would miss you too much.
 
Well you can always renounce your US citizenship and move to the Cayman Islands or Vanuatu. I doubt anybody would miss you too much.

If Angus had been alive during the Great Depression and New Deal I'm sure his comments would have been something. Lots of defenses of Hoover while claiming he didn't vote for him, followed by constant attacks on FDR and the New Deal programs for being socialist. As for the invaluable help those programs provided for ordinary people suffering from the effects of the Depression? Nah, no need to seriously discuss it.
 
David Brooks thinks that when looking back this stimulus bill might be the one of worst economic bills in the history of the US
 
The Covid-19 Slump Has Arrived: But we’re already botching the response.



Krugman piece (read in private browsing mode if no subscription).


...In other words, it may be a long time before the economy starts getting the life support it needs right away.

And even when workers and businesses finally get the promised aid, the CARES Act doesn’t provide remotely enough money to state and local governments, which are seeing revenues plunge and expenses soar. This is likely to force big cuts in government services precisely when they’re needed most.

So what do we need right now? First, we need an all-hands-on-deck effort to resolve the bottlenecks that are holding up unemployment benefits and small-business loans.

The obvious parallel here is to the crash of healthcare.gov when the Affordable Care Act was first going into effect; things looked terrible at first, but an Obama administration expert task force, working around the clock, resolved the problems more quickly than anyone imagined possible, and new enrollments ended up exceeding expectations.

I don’t see any reason, in principle, a similar effort couldn’t rescue the CARES Act. But here’s the thing: We’re talking about the Trump administration, which disdains expertise of every kind, and in which every effort somehow ends up being directed by Jared Kushner.

Second, we need another relief bill to fill the holes in the CARES Act, especially inadequate aid to state and local governments.

But will Republicans be willing to provide that aid? Donald Trump is talking, as he has many times before, about a giant infrastructure bill. But Senate Republicans are notably unenthusiastic. And while going big on infrastructure is a good idea, right now it’s less pressing than providing aid to states facing huge budget gaps.

And going back to the bill that Congress already passed: I’m fairly sure that we’ll eventually get the kinks worked out. But when you’re losing six million jobs a week, “eventually” isn’t good enough.
 
The blanket waiver of liability thing is probably correct. Many of these may be what's juicing the futures market right now.
 
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