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Covid-19 - Treatments & Vaccines

My state is publicly slapping the hand of the local hospital for lining people up to get vaccinated who aren't patient-facing. Either way, people aren't getting vaccinated quickly enough.

This is correct - people are not being vaccinated fast enough. A lot of this is on the government, because they have done a terrible job with vaccine distribution (big surprise), so no state (or med center) knows how much they will be receiving. With it being a 2 shot sequence, some doses have to be held so that second shots can be given, and med centers are really struggling with this uncertainty.
 
Rafi, would it be practical, or even feasible, to give the initial doses to more people, get to 50% or whatever and wait longer to give the second dose?
 
Rafi, would it be practical, or even feasible, to give the initial doses to more people, get to 50% or whatever and wait longer to give the second dose?

That is what the UK is doing. Give one shot and then it will be about three months until shot #2. The recommended time between doses is 21 days.

They claim 70% efficacy. It will be interesting to see how well their strategy works.
 
Canada doing it as well.

Won't work in the US. We are a country that favors individual good more than communal good. If there wasn't enough supplies for people to get their second dose 3 weeks later there would be a huge uproar and people who are on the fence would be even less likely to get vaccinated.
 
Latest reporting on the pharmacist who seems to have intentionally spoiled the vaccine doses...

A pharmacist at a Wisconsin hospital has been arrested and accused of intentionally removing more than 500 doses of coronavirus vaccine from refrigeration last week, knowing that the vaccines would be rendered useless and that the people receiving them would think they were protected against the virus when they were not, the police department in Grafton, Wisconsin, said Thursday.

The hospital administered some of the doses before realizing that they had been spoiled, the hospital system said.

The pharmacist, a man whom the police did not name, was arrested on recommended charges of first degree recklessly endangering safety, adulterating a prescription drug and criminal damage to property, all felonies. He is being held in the Ozaukee County jail.

It was not clear what his motive may have been. The Grafton police department is investigating the incident along with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Food and Drug Administration, the department said.

The hospital system, Advocate Aurora Health, has given evolving accounts of what happened since it first discovered on Dec. 26 that the vaccines had been removed overnight from refrigeration.

First, it said the doses had been taken out accidentally. Then on Wednesday, it said that the pharmacist had admitted to intentionally removing the vials. On Thursday, in a video call with reporters, Jeff Bahr, the president of Aurora Health Care Medical Group, said that the pharmacist had admitted to removing the vials from refrigeration on two consecutive nights — Christmas Eve and Christmas Day — and that the hospital had administered 57 of the doses before realizing how long they had been at room temperature.

Dr. Bahr said there was no evidence that the pharmacist had tampered with the vaccine in any way other than removing it from refrigeration, and that the pharmacist was no longer employed by the hospital system.

Dr. Bahr said that the hospital had consulted with Moderna, the pharmaceutical company that made the vaccines, and had been reassured that the spoiled vaccines would not harm the individuals who received them. But because the mRNA molecules in the vaccine quickly fall apart at room temperature, the doses “were rendered less effective or ineffective,” Dr. Bahr said.

He said that the 57 people who received the vaccine had been notified. He did not say what the hospital planned to do about further doses for those people, who are probably employees of the health system, though Dr. Bahr did not say so specifically.

The hospital did not believe the incident resulted from any laxness or gaps in its protocols around managing the vaccine doses, Dr. Bahr said.

“It’s become clear that this was a situation involving a bad actor, as opposed to a bad process,” he said.

Wisconsin experienced a devastating surge of coronavirus cases in the fall, and at times was the hardest-hit state in the nation relative to its population. Transmission has since slowed a bit, but the state is still reporting about 39 new cases a day for every 100,000 people. At least 5,195 Wisconsin residents have died.

As of Tuesday, the state had received 156,875 doses of vaccines and had administered 47,157 doses, according to the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.
 
We've gotten new guidance that the second dose can be up to 17-35 days later for Pfizer, and 24-42 for Moderna, and it's still just as effective.
 
Latest reporting on the pharmacist who seems to have intentionally spoiled the vaccine doses...

I would think the actions the pharmacist did would warrant revocation of his pharmacy license as well. It was a deliberate act that made medicine be not what the label says it is. I would think that could be considered deliberate adulteration of the product.
 
If the repointing is accurate, that pharmacist should never work again in that occupation.

Very hostile act. Hard to figure the rationale.
 
People who don’t work in the medical field would probably be surprised by how many anti-science conspiracy theorists there are working in hospitals. Definitely less than the general population, but way more than there should be.
 
Your state thinks this is a hoax, so no one ahead of them wanted the vaccine.

Assholes trying to passively create confusion about the vaccine and diminish confidence can fuck right off. You are not my boy, blue.

Amen
 
Far easier to imagine this as a mere mistake...those are unfortunately too common in spite of decent efforts to minimize.

As a deliberate act so folks get shots that are ineffective...fuck that pharmacist if that’s what happened.
 
Rafi, would it be practical, or even feasible, to give the initial doses to more people, get to 50% or whatever and wait longer to give the second dose?

Yeah, that’s a reasonable approach. In general, the thinking with booster vaccines is that they can be given “too early” but not “too late.” The Pfizer vaccine was studied with the second dose given up to 42 days later, and many med centers are loosening up the second dose timeline.
 
From his wife’s testimony...

“He told me that if I didn’t understand by now that he is right and that the world is crashing down around us, I am in serious denial,” she said in an affidavit. “He continued to say that the government is planning cyberattacks and plans to shut down the power grid.”

She asked that his time with their children be supervised, saying he had made alarming remarks. The six-year-old had quoted him as saying, “This is not our home; heaven is our home,” and “All the bad angels and the devil are going to burn in the lake of fire forever,” she wrote.
 
 
 
Yep, that’s stunningly stupid and self defeating.

But plays well to Trumptards, I guess.
 
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