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  1. #2501
    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    My kindergartener is eating lunch either outside under a tent or in his classroom
    We are the same in our school district AND lunchtime has been reduced to 15 minutes. That is, the actual time kids are unmasked and sitting down vs running around at lunch.

  2. #2502
    Quote Originally Posted by 2&2 Slider To Leyritz View Post
    Not really. That study gets cited a lot, but not for what it should be cited for. Its actual conclusion is that surgical masks (which it does a poor job of defining as there are a wide variety) are effective.
    Here is how they define them, "The surgical mask had three layers of 100% non-woven polypropylene (the exterior and interiors were spunbond and the middle layer was meltblown), elastic ear loops, and a nose bridge." What other information did you want?

    But more importantly, you misunderstood why this study is so critical. Mask efficacy on population level is very hard to accurately study. Unlike a vaccine, or many studies of medications, the use of masks is not a "yes/no" situation. An N95 isn't very effective if worn below the nose, on the chin, or only used half of the day. For this reason, population studies of mask efficacy need two crucial components: 1) they need to involve a large number of participants so the variability in use does not influence the results, and 2) they need to be randomized. The study from Bangladesh meets both of these criteria - there were over 300,000 participants and mask use was randomized by village. No other study comes close to this number of participants in a randomized trial design.

  3. #2503
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Angus View Post
    I'm 100% behind redirecting public funds from the state university system of FL to K-12 education. As this board illustrates all too well, a number of state university departments could experience a little (a lot?) of belt-tightening. Is there a petition somewhere that I can sign?

    But how do we solve for the states with Dem governors and deep blue local school boards?
    1 - plenty of bloat in university ecosystems. Of course, you believe they are libs indoctrinating your poor conservative children rather than teaching them to think critically and realizing their magat parents are ruining this country

    2 - "Proudly and belligerently stupid" just about covers it since, you know, it's your snowflake feelings rather than actual information coloring your perception. But feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary. Ask for Mr blue. I'll be over here holding my breath.

  4. #2504
    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTannen View Post
    Uhh, changes in local COVID numbers maybe. Several school boards reversed their votes in advance of the opening of schools. The vote changed from 5-4 against masks to 7-2 in favor. Do you think they all have COVID and are about to die ?
    It could be worse. At least we’re not in union county. Yeesh.

  5. #2505
    Could you imagine being on a school board?

  6. #2506
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    Here is how they define them, "The surgical mask had three layers of 100% non-woven polypropylene (the exterior and interiors were spunbond and the middle layer was meltblown), elastic ear loops, and a nose bridge." What other information did you want?

    But more importantly, you misunderstood why this study is so critical. Mask efficacy on population level is very hard to accurately study. Unlike a vaccine, or many studies of medications, the use of masks is not a "yes/no" situation. An N95 isn't very effective if worn below the nose, on the chin, or only used half of the day. For this reason, population studies of mask efficacy need two crucial components: 1) they need to involve a large number of participants so the variability in use does not influence the results, and 2) they need to be randomized. The study from Bangladesh meets both of these criteria - there were over 300,000 participants and mask use was randomized by village. No other study comes close to this number of participants in a randomized trial design.
    LOL.

    You are very patient person, Dr. Rafi. 2&2 has obviously done his research.
    Let’s get this done!

  7. #2507
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    Here is how they define them, "The surgical mask had three layers of 100% non-woven polypropylene (the exterior and interiors were spunbond and the middle layer was meltblown), elastic ear loops, and a nose bridge." What other information did you want?

    But more importantly, you misunderstood why this study is so critical. Mask efficacy on population level is very hard to accurately study. Unlike a vaccine, or many studies of medications, the use of masks is not a "yes/no" situation. An N95 isn't very effective if worn below the nose, on the chin, or only used half of the day. For this reason, population studies of mask efficacy need two crucial components: 1) they need to involve a large number of participants so the variability in use does not influence the results, and 2) they need to be randomized. The study from Bangladesh meets both of these criteria - there were over 300,000 participants and mask use was randomized by village. No other study comes close to this number of participants in a randomized trial design.

  8. #2508
    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Yep. It’s been 18 months and school children have never been a policy priority.
    They will be when Republicans pin this mess of their own making on Biden next summer. The whole narrative will be about how things got worse under the Biden admin, and no amount of fact checking on what happened at the state and local level is going to matter to the Brads of the world.

  9. #2509
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    Here is how they define them, "The surgical mask had three layers of 100% non-woven polypropylene (the exterior and interiors were spunbond and the middle layer was meltblown), elastic ear loops, and a nose bridge." What other information did you want?

    But more importantly, you misunderstood why this study is so critical. Mask efficacy on population level is very hard to accurately study. Unlike a vaccine, or many studies of medications, the use of masks is not a "yes/no" situation. An N95 isn't very effective if worn below the nose, on the chin, or only used half of the day. For this reason, population studies of mask efficacy need two crucial components: 1) they need to involve a large number of participants so the variability in use does not influence the results, and 2) they need to be randomized. The study from Bangladesh meets both of these criteria - there were over 300,000 participants and mask use was randomized by village. No other study comes close to this number of participants in a randomized trial design.
    Meh, I’m gonna wait see what Angus has to say about this “study.”
    Birds are real.

  10. #2510
    Quote Originally Posted by birdman View Post
    Meh, I’m gonna wait see what Angus has to say about this “study.”
    A true gentleman and scholar.

  11. #2511
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    Here is how they define them, "The surgical mask had three layers of 100% non-woven polypropylene (the exterior and interiors were spunbond and the middle layer was meltblown), elastic ear loops, and a nose bridge." What other information did you want?

    But more importantly, you misunderstood why this study is so critical. Mask efficacy on population level is very hard to accurately study. Unlike a vaccine, or many studies of medications, the use of masks is not a "yes/no" situation. An N95 isn't very effective if worn below the nose, on the chin, or only used half of the day. For this reason, population studies of mask efficacy need two crucial components: 1) they need to involve a large number of participants so the variability in use does not influence the results, and 2) they need to be randomized. The study from Bangladesh meets both of these criteria - there were over 300,000 participants and mask use was randomized by village. No other study comes close to this number of participants in a randomized trial design.
    I didn't misunderstand anything about that study. I never said it was a poor study, as a study it is perfectly fine. I said it is being used to support conclusions that it did not reach. I know doctors aren't known for their reading comprehension, but if you can't correctly interpret what I wrote in a few sentences, then I guess it makes sense why people aren't interpreting the 100+ pages of the study correctly.

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    Anti Mask florida charity missed campaign filing deadline after their accountant died from COVID

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheve...es-from-covid/
    just drivin' round in John Voight's car

  13. #2513
    Quote Originally Posted by 2&2 Slider To Leyritz View Post
    I didn't misunderstand anything about that study. I never said it was a poor study, as a study it is perfectly fine. I said it is being used to support conclusions that it did not reach. I know doctors aren't known for their reading comprehension, but if you can't correctly interpret what I wrote in a few sentences, then I guess it makes sense why people aren't interpreting the 100+ pages of the study correctly.
    You continue to misunderstand. The main takeaway from the study is very broad - masks work to decrease the spread of COVID, period. The primary outcome of the study was actually to determine which strategies work best to promote mask wearing. But the investigators also looked at COVID transmission and found masks decrease transmission. Now, a persnickety individual could argue that the study only shows that masks work in villages in Bangladesh from November 2020 to January 2021, but that would be a silly conclusion. Many aspects of this study are generalizable, which is why it is the definitive study on mask use to decrease COVID transmission.

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    That reddit page made me terribly sad

  15. #2515
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafi View Post
    ...the study only shows that masks work in villages in Bangladesh from November 2020 to January 2021...
    The only part 2&2 will remember.
    Birds are real.

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    i didn't see a definition of "Bangladesh" though

  17. #2517
    Quote Originally Posted by dartsndeacs View Post
    Anti Mask florida charity missed campaign filing deadline after their accountant died from COVID

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheve...es-from-covid/
    What the shit is an "anti-mask charity?"

  18. #2518
    They raise money to pay crisis actors to accost school boards.

  19. #2519
    Can somebody post the Reddit link again? I can't find it in the thread and it must be there somewhere. Sorry for not knowing how to properly use the search function.

  20. #2520
    Quote Originally Posted by guitardeac View Post
    Can somebody post the Reddit link again? I can't find it in the thread and it must be there somewhere. Sorry for not knowing how to properly use the search function.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
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