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B.S. Biden has done or said--time to start worrying Dems about your nomination

TheReff

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Maybe Mark Cuban will make a run so that with his billions and fresh ideas, there will be a chance to defeat Trump. Otherwise Biden's record and mouth will get him crushed by Trump in the debates. From "Current Affairs" Nathan Robinson in March 2020--"If this captures your thinking, I would like you to give me a chance to show that this argument for Biden, while tempting, is ultimately wrong in a very dangerous way. Biden is not what he seems to be, and there are some facts we need to confront."

Immigration: The Obama administration deported hundreds of thousands of immigrants, more than any other administration, a process that tore countless families apart and has served as Donald Trump’s go-to rationalization for his own brutal immigration policies. Biden has sometimes simply lied about this and pretended it didn’t happen. The Obama administration misled the public about what it was doing, and reports concluded that “contrary to Obama’s avowed policy, a huge part of ICE’s enforcement efforts resulted in the separation of families, and a much smaller portion went toward deporting people who posed legitimate public safety threats.” For countless children, this meant “pain and trauma [that] stunts their growth and development.” Under the administration Biden served in, “the budget for immigration enforcement jumped at one point to a staggering $18 billion annually, more than all other law enforcement agencies” combined. Splinter’s Natascha Elena Ulmann documents Biden’s horrific record on immigration over the years and the impact it had on immigrant communities. Biden “voted to uphold an HIV travel ban that authorized the indefinite detention of Haitian refugees despite a wave of public sentiment in their favor.” He “called for a crackdown on employers who hire “illegals” and fought against driver’s licenses for undocumented immigrants.”

Climate change: But climate activists have been consistently disappointed by Joe Biden’s lackadaisical approach to the greatest challenge of our time. It shouldn’t be that surprising: Biden’s campaign is stuffed with fossil fuel executives. His climate adviser is a former board member of natural gas company Cheniere Energy, one of his fundraisers co-founded natural gas company Western LNG, the pro-Biden Super PAC has a former gas lobbyist on its board, and his national campaign co-chair, Cedric Richmond, “has one of the most pro-industry voting records on fossil fuel issues among all congressional Democrats.” And as many know, at one point Biden’s son Hunter was being paid tens of thousands of dollars a month to serve on the board of a Ukrainian fossil fuel company. This is troubling, because in order to combat climate change, we’re going to need to take on the industry; their continued profits are in conflict with the needs of humanity. But how likely is someone to effectively challenge an industry, when those close to him are tied to it? It’s very likely that Biden will be talked out of doing anything that could seriously threaten the financial interests of those in his circle. Sure enough, Biden’s original climate change plans got a D- from Greenpeace.

Criminal punishment: The “freest” country in the world has the most people locked up per capita—2.2 million total. Biden contributed significantly to that problem. He was one of the key Congressional figures in refashioning the Democratic party as a “tough on crime” party. Biden collaborated with unrepentant segregationist Strom Thurmond to create the “Biden-Thurmond bill,” which restricted use of the insanity defense (shifting the burden of proof from the prosecutor to the defendant) and abolished parole. Biden “unblushingly cited his and Thurmond’s leading role in enacting laws allowing for the execution of drug dealers convicted of homicide, and expanding the practice of civil asset forfeiture, law enforcement’s plunder of property belonging to people suspected of crimes, even if they are neither charged nor convicted.” He warned of juvenile “predators on our streets” who “warrant exceptionally, exceptionally tough treatment,” suggesting they were beyond hope of rehabilitation and simply needed to be cordoned off from the rest of society. Biden collaborated with the hard right to expand the death penalty, boasting that “the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is now for 60 new death penalties.” Indeed, people did get sentenced to death because of the law Biden himself wrote. Biden was proud of his role in cracking down on crime, a staffer recalling him saying: “Whenever people hear the words ‘drugs’ and ‘crime,’ I want them to think ‘Joe Biden.’”

Social Security: But Biden is lying when he says he never tried to cut Social Security benefits for the elderly. You can even watch him brag about it. Biden has proposed raising the retirement age and eliminating cost of living increases, and has said of Medicare and Social Security that “you’ve got to put all of it on the table.” Ryan Grim and Lee Fang unearthed material from the 1990s proving that senior advocacy groups had “blasted” Biden for siding with the GOP, with an AARP representative saying Biden was endorsing “nothing more than a raid on Social Security’s trust fund.” In fact, not only has Biden called for cuts to Social Security repeatedly over his political career, but he was intimately involved with an Obama administration “fiscal responsibility” effort that would have “back[ed] cuts to Medicare and Social Security despite pushback from some Democrats who opposed touching entitlements.”

Iraq: In 2003, Biden was “a senator bullish about the push to war [in Iraq] who helped sell the Bush administration’s pitch to the American public,” who “voted for—and helped advance—the Bush agenda.” He was the war’s “most crucial” senate supporter. Biden repeated the myth that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, saying that “these weapons must be dislodged from Saddam Hussein, or Saddam Hussein must be dislodged from power.” The resulting war was one of the most deadly catastrophes in the history of U.S. foreign policy—the Iraqi death toll was in the hundreds of thousands or possibly even the millions, and 4,500 American troops died. And that’s just the dead: countless more were left permanently maimed, to suffer with PTSD for the rest of their lives. For every dead person, there is a family who will struggle forever to get over their loss. This is no trivial issue: In selecting a commander in chief, you want someone who doesn’t launch catastrophic wars of aggression.

Now, you might be tempted to forgive Biden: Who among us hasn’t made the occasional disastrous decision that caused millions of deaths? But most unforgivably, Biden hasn’t reckoned with or atoned for what he did. Instead, he has simply lied about it repeatedly, because he knows how embarrassing the truth is.
 
Healthcare: Just look at Biden’s stances on healthcare. Health insurance industry stocks have jumped thanks to Biden’s recent success in the primary, and early on it was reported that the industry seemed “to see Biden as their best chance to stop Sanders, or Warren or any of the other Medicare-for-all supporters.” It’s not surprising: Biden has promised to save their profits, while Bernie Sanders has said that healthcare financing should not be conducted by a for-profit industry in the first place.

Biden & Wall Street fat cats: Biden’s willingness to do the bidding of the rich and powerful in ways that hurt ordinary people has extended across many areas, and makes his claim to be an ambassador for the “middle class” seem sick and perverse. Consider his relationship with the finance sector, which invested millions in him. As good government advocate Zephyr Teachout has written, “‘Middle Class’ Joe has perfected the art of taking big contributions, then representing his corporate donors at the cost of middle- and working-class Americans.” He “supported banking industry consolidation and Too Big to Fail Banks” and “supported the elimination of protections that limited Wall Street speculation.”

As Teachout notes, while “bankrolled by the credit card industry… [Biden] delivered for it by spearheading a bankruptcy bill that made it harder for Americans to reduce their debts and helped cause the financial crisis.” The Consumer Federation of America said that he “provided a ‘veneer of bipartisanship’” to stripping bankruptcy protections “that eventually helped the credit card companies win over other Democrats” and Biden “provided cover to other Democrats to do what the credit industry was urging them to do.”

That bankruptcy bill led to an infamous clash between Biden and Elizabeth Warren, who was then a law professor specializing in consumer bankruptcy issues. Warren was scathing of the way Biden wanted to make it harder for poor people to get out from under crushing debts and start fresh, and concluded that “senators like Joe Biden should not be allowed to sell out women in the morning and be heralded as their friend in the evening.” In a scathing New York Times op-ed, Warren did not hold back.

Women's rights & reproductive rights: Since 1974, when Biden gave the rather shocking quote that he “didn’t think a woman had the sole right to say what happened to her body,” Biden’s record on women’s issues has been deeply disappointing. In the 1980s, he voted to let states overturn Roe v. Wade, which the National Abortion Rights Action League said was “the most devastating attack yet on abortion rights.” In 2006, Biden described himself as an “odd man out” among Democrats on abortion because he held a more conservative position than Planned Parenthood/NOW, and said he “did not view abortion as a choice and a right.” Instead, abortion was “always a tragedy” and “we should be focusing on how to limit the number of abortions.” In 2019, he was still saying he supported the Hyde Amendment banning federal funding of abortion, which Toni Van Pelt, head of the National Organization for Women, called a “shocking,” “unacceptable,” and “unsupportable” position. The NOW president did not mince words: Anyone without clear opposition to Hyde “should consider leaving the race… the girls and women of our nation deserve better.” Last year, Biden’s spokesman “declined to detail Mr. Biden’s current views on specific policies he once supported, including banning all federal funding for abortion services and research.”

China: And last month in Iowa, Biden seemed to dismiss Beijing by saying, “China is going to eat our lunch? Come on, man! …They’re not competition for us.”
“It’s wrong to pretend that China isn’t one of our major economic competitors,” tweeted the Bernie Sanders’ campaign, which has criticized free trade deals Biden supported while serving as No. 2 to Barack Obama.
”Joe Biden, incredibly, dismisses China as an economic competitor, so it’s little wonder that while Biden was in office he welcomed China’s rise and sat back and watched as the Chinese ate America’s lunch.”
Biden used the phrase “xenophobic” in reply to a Trump tweet about limiting entry to travelers from China which has since been proved that Trump was correct in doing so and Biden has backtracked and saying that was 'his stance' also.
 
Why even bother with policies Biden may at one time have advocated or had a part in. By election day he won't even remember what policies he may claim to stand for today.

If the Dems have any sense at all, they will nominate Andrew Cuomo. Biden is a joke.
 
Damn dude. There is already a thread. Your opinions are not more important that you need a new thread for every rube thought thought that enters your empty rube skull.
 
Oh look- Democratic election advice from two mush-brained Trump supporters.

Thanks guys!
 
I’m sure that was valuable information, Reff. Meanwhile, the man he’s running against has enough fuckups in the last month to fill a million threads. Enjoy your bailout though, bro.
 
Look, Biden's a corporate shill masquerading as moderate. You've even listed many of the examples of the many ways he's terrible and why it sucks monkey balls that we'll all be forced to vote for him.
But, if you think any of us here would vote for that orange Day-Glo elephant turd over Biden, even with all his flaws, you're insane.
 
Lol no ones reading that. Happy Easter eating that government cheese reff.
 
Baaaaa baaaaa You two are sheep. F'ing idiots.

Your guy stood up in a pandemic press conference and made sure everyone knew he's had sex with models. "I don't know models. I don't do models. Well not those models."
 
Hey Man, those models, they just let ya do whatever ya want. You can just grab em.
 
It's just all proof we need that Trump's been Presidential for years!
 
Trump's support, even now, I suspect is undercounted.
Just a gut feeling.
 
Biden will beat Trump by 5+ in PA and should beat him in MI that badly as well.

Biden was often called PA's third senator.

Trump's hatred of paying a living wage and of unions should lead to him getting destroyed in MI. I can't believe Hillary didn't spend tens of millions in MI showing how Trump publicly wanted to kill the auto industry, destroy the UAW to re-hire the workers at pennies on the dollar and eliminate their benefits packages. I mean for fucks-sake he did a TV interview and national column saying this. How Hillary, her staff and the DNC didn't maul Trump with this in MI is beyond comprehension.

Biden is a lifelong union guy. Hopefully, he won't be as stupid, weak and lazy as Hillary was. If he does the right thing, it shouldn't be close in MI.
 
Why even bother with policies Biden may at one time have advocated or had a part in. By election day he won't even remember what policies he may claim to stand for today.

If the Dems have any sense at all, they will nominate Andrew Cuomo. Biden is a joke.

Dude:

 
All we hear is how these guys like owning the libs so if they feel like they own us surely they feel like they can give us election advice.
 
"I can't believe Hillary didn't spend tens of millions in MI"
I agree with you here too, RJ.
But, the idiots in charge of Hillary's campaign as well as the DNC severely underestimated Trumps appeal in the decimated Rust Belt.
Not to mention, they gravely underestimated the thirty year tear-down the Republicans had run on Hillary Clinton's public perception. How they never comprehended that conservative working class Rust Belt Democrats were the exact kind of Democrats that shit would work on, I'll never understand.
 
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