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Getting America Back to Work - Weigh In

DeacMan said:
No. But that doesn't mean the situation in Wyoming is at all akin to the situation in Boston.
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It’s the same principles. Individual states have very different “situations”. That doesn’t mean governors should pass the buck to mayors. We need evidence and expert-based protocols and resources. Local conditions can be factored into that. This is a national crisis. Our federal government should be leading our response and helping states overcome their “different challenges”. This has to be a coordinated response to be most effective.
 
Tobacco Road said:
It’s the same principles. Individual states have very different “situations”. That doesn’t mean governors should pass the buck to mayors. We need evidence and expert-based protocols and resources. Local conditions can be factored into that. This is a national crisis. Our federal government should be leading our response and helping states overcome their “different challenges”. This has to be a coordinated response to be most effective.
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Exactly. Except the person who should be doing all that is an incompetent con man ignoramus and blowhard of epic proportions. Elections have consequences, as they say.
 
I think we’re gonna experience a protracted haphazard-feeling attempt to balance “opening up”, mitigation, and at best semi-successful (unsuccessful) containment efforts.

And we’ll likely continue to see spikes/surges of disease outbreaks.

Until we have an available effective vaccine, probably.

I think this would probably be the case regardless of whatever China did or didn’t do, or who was the potus.

But it will be more chaotic, dysfunctional and hazardous with our current leadership than it could be otherwise.
 
The huge problem faced with "getting America back to work" is that the shutdown was so haphazard and so full of holes that the curve has flattened a bit, but not really taken the nose dive needed to get the cases down to a controllable number.

The USA absolutely has to get a handle on new cases and get that number headed severely south. Germany is down 50% since the 27th of March in terms of daily new cases. Austria is down over 80%. Switzerland is down over 65%. That's why these 3 countries are able to start moving forward, because society actually went through with social distancing fully.

Meanwhile the USA is still basically exactly where it was 2 weeks ago in terms of new cases per day, unable to get the curve turned south because the "lockdown" is so sloppily implemented and disregarded in so many areas. It's hard to move to step #2 when you can't get step #1 right.
 
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Trump's coronavirus self-protection plan: Spread responsibility to the states

Jonathan Swan
President Trump's reopening plan includes lots of hurdles for states, but the key factor for him was that he got to fire the pistol, Axios' Jonathan Swan reports.

Why it matters: Even though he’s delegating to governors, Trump didn’t want them to call the reopening first. And if he waited until next week he would’ve been trailing in several red-state governors’ wake.

Between the lines: The plan ("Opening Up America Again") appears cautious, because doctors wrote it. But the overarching message is that the decision is up to the governors.

You'll start seeing red states announcing reopenings very soon — perhaps within days.
Watch for Texas and Florida to set the standard among the red states.

Alabama and Mississippi are also expected to move quickly, according to administration sources.
What Trump is being told: The level of concern about the economy is extreme in the senior ranks of the White House.

Multiply everything you’re hearing by 100 to get a sense of the mindset, especially within the economic team.
Top Trump aides are desperate to get the economy restarted to avoid a depression.
But the reason they’re not giving orders to reopen at any cost is that they believe a major second wave would all but guarantee prolonged economic calamity.

Behind the scenes: As you could see from yesterday's press conference, Trump is far more eager than the doctors to get the economy open and refuses to believe there will be a long "new normal" of impeded business.

But advisers have also told him that while most of the public won’t blame him for the arrival of the virus on America’s shores, and while much of the country will view his early missteps as clouded by China’s deceit, Trump won't be able to avoid responsibility for the calamity if he goes too hard and pushes the country to reopen too quickly.
Hence the relatively cautious plan, and the deference to the states.

The bottom line: Some advisers are relieved that POTUS is delegating to the governors so heavily because, among other things, it spreads responsibility away from the federal government.

In other words, Trump won’t be the sole proprietor of whatever happens in the coming months.
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Leadership.
 
Newenglanddeac said:
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Leadership.
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So the great plan to open up the nation again is just another way for Trump and his team to dump more of the responsibility onto individual states so they can avoid taking blame for anything that goes wrong. What a wartime president he is! #maga
 
saltydeac said:
Great to hear that is the case. You feel same about states having the resources and ability to track as well?
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So I'm hearing we are no where near close for tracking and assuming that is as critical as testing sounds like the 2-3 months away might be best case to try and get resources in place. Interested if others have thoughts on the tracking aspect needed to really start to let things at least give us some comfort mass outbreaks don't occur again.
 
saltydeac said:
So I'm hearing we are no where near close for tracking and assuming that is as critical as testing sounds like the 2-3 months away might be best case to try and get resources in place. Interested if others have thoughts on the tracking aspect needed to really start to let things at least give us some comfort mass outbreaks don't occur again.
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We are not even close on testing, let alone tracking

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-policy-watch/what-testing-capacity-do-we-need/

There are at least four main national estimates, or potential benchmarks, that have been put forward:

We summarize these in the table below and also include the share of the U.S. population that would need to be tested under each model (in a given week). As the table indicates, the models vary in their weekly testing target from 2.6 million to 160 million, accounting for 0.8% of the population for the lowest bound estimate to half of the population in the highest

There is not yet consensus over what approach to testing is required for social distancing measures to be loosened, or exactly how much capacity is needed. But, by any measure, it is clear that we are far from being able to do enough tests to enable us to move to the next phase of responding to the pandemic in states across the country
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tiltdeac said:
We are not even close on testing, let alone tracking

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-policy-watch/what-testing-capacity-do-we-need/
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And clearly that is the case for NC as just came across these beauties from Gov. Cooper:

“The biggest problem we have right now is testing capacity,” Cooper said on MSNBC. “What we need from the federal government right now is help on that testing capacity and with supplies and with personal protective equipment.

“The President doesn’t want to believe that testing is a problem,” Cooper told Hayes. “And it is a problem, particularly if we want to get the country going again.”

So guessing 2-3 months is really optimistic now and looking more like fall at best. And praying no mutation occurs before then that has us see it get worse....
 
Highland Deac said:
So the great plan to open up the nation again is just another way for Trump and his team to dump more of the responsibility onto individual states so they can avoid taking blame for anything that goes wrong. What a wartime president he is! #maga
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That is total BS. Leaving it up to the individual states and Governors with federal help and guidance when asked/needed is a sound strategy. This will be a difficult enough roll out without having a “one size fits all”
solution in place.
I can respect it more if you just say there is not one thing this Admin can do right in your mind and leave it at that.
 
Funny tho that the trump supporting states will be the ones with the worst go back to work plans
 
DeacsPop said:
That is total BS. Leaving it up to the individual states and Governors with federal help and guidance when asked/needed is a sound strategy. This will be a difficult enough roll out without having a “one size fits all”
solution in place.
I can respect it more if you just say there is not one thing this Admin can do right in your mind and leave it at that.
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The reality is Trump had no choice. He didn't "leave it up to the individual states and governors". He couldn't tell them what to do. He couldn't even really blackmail them. If he tried, every person who died would have been on him and mentioned in every campaign ad.

Why can't you say thousands have died needlessly and hundreds of thousands got sick needlessly due to Trump's ineptitude, ignorance and selfishness?

There would have been Covid-19 with or without Trump. There would have been a lot of people sick and people would have died with our without Trump. However, it is indisputable that he made it much worse.
 
DeacsPop said:
That is total BS. Leaving it up to the individual states and Governors with federal help and guidance when asked/needed is a sound strategy. This will be a difficult enough roll out without having a “one size fits all”
solution in place.
I can respect it more if you just say there is not one thing this Admin can do right in your mind and leave it at that.
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Ahh yes, help and guidance is what they offer.

DeacsPop said:
That is total BS. Leaving it up to the individual states and Governors with federal help and guidance when asked/needed is a sound strategy. This will be a difficult enough roll out without having a “one size fits all”
solution in place.
I can respect it more if you just say there is not one thing this Admin can do right in your mind and leave it at that.
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that's fine, but do you have any impression that the Federal government is holding up their end of that strategy? central coordination on supplies? accumulating and disseminating data? anything at all?
 
Yea current federal "help" is using federal purchasing power to undermine the states, horde as well as seize reagents and needed supplies, then release said things based off of political considerations.
 
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