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ACC schools bringing back some student/athletes June 1

Might have something to do with all of the coronavirus parties happening in Winston.

A North Carolina nurse said she’s treating patients who have attended “coronavirus parties” in an attempt to catch the deadly bug and hopefully develop immunity.

“Over the last few days, we have heard from a lot of patients and the community that they’re unafraid of getting the virus,” Yolanda Enrich, a nurse practitioner at Novant Health Forsyth Medical Center, told an NBC affiliate.

“People are actually out and about trying to get the virus, so attending gatherings, parties trying to maximize their chances of exposure.”




https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-says-patients-attend-coronavirus-parties-to-get-sick/

This is absurd and outright lunacy....here's hoping our student athletes are much smarter and aware than the folks referenced here.
 
I read something today that indicates the death rate from Covid in the US for people less than 29 years of ago is 3/1000ths of 1%. Who knows if it might even be lower for younger people being on campuses, rather than in the general population. But if you multiply this percentage times the undergraduate population at WFU of 5,000 you get .15 students. I wonder if incidence is significantly different than an expected death rate from other causes such as alcohol poisoning, car wrecks, cancer, etc. From reading the Wake press over the years, it seems like a Wake student passes every 3 or 4 years from some cause. The difference here of course is that Covid is highly contagious. If proper precautions are taken, it would seem that school should open in late August.


You realize that a college campus doesn't just have students, right?

And... that you can't really seal that population off, against their will?

The death rate is closer to 0.2% for college-aged infectees, but you're reporting it as .003%? Needless to say... There's huge disparity in those #s.

7,591 enrolled x .65 (presumed infection rate) x .002 (0.2% fatality rate) = 9.86 student deaths.

...

Along with a few hundred hospitalizations & increased exposure for everybody else involved in the equation... It's sorta irresponsible to STILL be comparing this virus to car wrecks.
 
You realize that a college campus doesn't just have students, right?

And... that you can't really seal that population off, against their will?

The death rate is closer to 0.2% for college-aged infectees, but you're reporting it as .003%? Needless to say... There's huge disparity in those #s.

7,591 enrolled x .65 (presumed infection rate) x .002 (0.2% fatality rate) = 9.86 student deaths.

...

Along with a few hundred hospitalizations & increased exposure for everybody else involved in the equation... It's sorta irresponsible to STILL be comparing this virus to car wrecks.

This is my main issue. Are faculty and staff supposed to quarantine on campus without their families? It makes no sense. I’m making syllabi for both online and F2F classes so who knows.
 
You realize that a college campus doesn't just have students, right?

And... that you can't really seal that population off, against their will?

The death rate is closer to 0.2% for college-aged infectees, but you're reporting it as .003%? Needless to say... There's huge disparity in those #s.

7,591 enrolled x .65 (presumed infection rate) x .002 (0.2% fatality rate) = 9.86 student deaths.

...

Along with a few hundred hospitalizations & increased exposure for everybody else involved in the equation... It's sorta irresponsible to STILL be comparing this virus to car wrecks.


Easy to play with numbers.

Not sure about the validity of both your infection rate (65%) and your death rate (.2%). A fairly reasonable comparison for WF's college campus would be Navy's Theodore Roosevelt Aircraft Carrier. No college campus is more confined in space and time than a ship at sea; so, the infection rates should be less than the Theodore Roosevelt. They had a crew of 4,500 (of all ages, but the majority of those on board are/were in the college age range). 1,156 tested positive (25.6% of those on board) and one person died (0.02% of all crew members; (00.08% of all positive cases). Would also add that the crew of the Theodore Roosevelt was exposed to the virus during a time when people were generally not adopting social distancing/sanitation measures and wearing masks. Of course, there is a risk to opening a campus in the fall, which everyone should know before going to school or to work on campus, but really think it's a stretch to claim the over/under for the number of infections would be 65% or the death rate would be a drastic as estimated.
 
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Why not make the students clean up the campus and do all the landscaping and make all the food, etc. ????
 
The question has to be asked- Will UNC "tutors" return with the jocks or write their papers remotely?
 
You realize that a college campus doesn't just have students, right?

And... that you can't really seal that population off, against their will?

The death rate is closer to 0.2% for college-aged infectees, but you're reporting it as .003%? Needless to say... There's huge disparity in those #s.

7,591 enrolled x .65 (presumed infection rate) x .002 (0.2% fatality rate) = 9.86 student deaths.

...

Along with a few hundred hospitalizations & increased exposure for everybody else involved in the equation... It's sorta irresponsible to STILL be comparing this virus to car wrecks.


I believe your 9.86 student deaths is way, way off. In NC there have been exactly 737 covid related deaths out of a population in excess of 10 million. That is 7 people per 100,000. In addition, half of the deaths in NC were patients in nursing homes. That cuts it to 3.5 people per 100,000 of general population. I believe I also read that nationwide some 94% of the covid deaths are people over 65 with co-morbidities such as heart disease, diabetes, asthma, etc. The true death risk to those less than 65 years of age and of reasonable health is miniscule and far less than car wrecks (6% of 737 divided by 10 million, is 4 youngish people per million. Sure there are some profs at Wake that are over 65, but come on there is no reason for schools and universities not to open in the Fall with some reasonable guidelines Sure the incidence is likely to go up when people get off their couch, and some people will get good and sick for a period of time, but that is not a good enough reason to continue the shutdown.
 
‪I feel like people don't understand that perhaps the main reason college students are not primary targets for COVID-19 is that they were among the first groups to be forced to stay at home. ‬

‪College students would be at much greater risk if they were living in small rooms in residence halls or stacked on top of each other in apartments, spending their days in windowless rooms with up to hundreds of other people, working in retail, hospitality, or office jobs, attending parties and other social events in not particularly sanitary conditions, or playing sports that require high levels of physical contact mostly with strangers. ‬
 
Perhaps, but the risk to the younger is clearly much, much less than the old and infirmed. The big tragedy of the Covid situation and our national disgrace has been what has happened in nursing homes. We should remember that the first big outbreak was at a nursing home in the state of Washington, so every nursing home administrator had plenty of warning to get their facility in shape, and to shut down the incoming traffic. Nursing home deaths have skewed the US statistics significantly, and this has to be taken into consideration. I am also not sure colleges sent the students home any sooner than everyone else hunkered down. The fact remains that the numbers don't support continued closing of schools.
 
Most colleges and universities told either told students not to return from Spring Break or shut down campus after March 13 or 20. State stay at home orders didn't start going into place until the next week or later.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03...-27-states-that-now-have-stay-at-home-orders/

Actually, colleges may have been done on March 13. The NCAA cancelled Spring sports on March 12. Washington didn't issue their stay at home order until March 23.

Most colleges and universities were well ahead of the game and students have been able to largely avoid at risk situations.
 
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Most colleges and universities told either told students not to return from Spring Break or shut down campus after March 13 or 20. State stay at home orders didn't start going into place until the next week or later.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03...-27-states-that-now-have-stay-at-home-orders/

Actually, colleges may have been done on March 13. The NCAA cancelled Spring sports on March 12. Washington didn't issue their stay at home order until March 23.

Most colleges and universities were well ahead of the game and students have been able to largely avoid at risk situations.

You are nitpicking at an insignificant issue. If you think college kids are sitting at home in their rooms, I think you are mistaken. Also, not every 20 year old in the US goes to college (it is about 40%) and lives on campus (about 40% of students at state colleges). Triple or quadruple the national death rates for those under 29 and the numbers are still miniscule. If there is a second wave then shutdown all the nursing homes to incoming traffic, quarantine the elderly and those with health issues, and let the rest of population lead a normal life with some added protections, testing, etc.
 
Understanding why certain groups are more at risk than others is not insignificant. If young people start living in similar arraignments as nursing homes, their death rates will increase.

We are taking about a cohort who was largely living with their parents and engaging online as usual.
 
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