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COVID Thread 2: Operation Ludicrous Speed ! (Super Political!!!)

Effective defined as preventing from getting COVID or in preventing the worst outcomes?

This is the key question to me that needs to be answered. From the article:

Dr. Wadei and his team tested the blood of patients who had received a solid organ for spike antibodies to COVID-19, which would be the type of antibody generated by the vaccine. Of the six patients who were tested, antibodies to the spike protein were found in only one. That patient had received both mRNA vaccine doses 44 days prior and had a low titer of anti-spike antibody. Using available vaccination data, Dr. Wadei and his team estimated that the infection rate in vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients was 10 times higher than the general population ― 0.6% versus 0.05%.

So it's still just 0.6% infection rate (estimated) for vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients? So about 1 in every 167? That doesn't seem as alarming.
 
This is the key question to me that needs to be answered. From the article:

Dr. Wadei and his team tested the blood of patients who had received a solid organ for spike antibodies to COVID-19, which would be the type of antibody generated by the vaccine. Of the six patients who were tested, antibodies to the spike protein were found in only one. That patient had received both mRNA vaccine doses 44 days prior and had a low titer of anti-spike antibody. Using available vaccination data, Dr. Wadei and his team estimated that the infection rate in vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients was 10 times higher than the general population ― 0.6% versus 0.05%.

So it's still just 0.6% infection rate (estimated) for vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients? So about 1 in every 167? That doesn't seem as alarming.

I'm not sure what that 0.05% number is in the article - maybe an error? The mRNA vaccines seem to be about 95% effective against infection, so 5% ineffective. If the rate is 10 times higher in solid organ transplant patients, that is 50%.
 
Effective defined as preventing from getting COVID or in preventing the worst outcomes?

This is the key question to me that needs to be answered. From the article:

Dr. Wadei and his team tested the blood of patients who had received a solid organ for spike antibodies to COVID-19, which would be the type of antibody generated by the vaccine. Of the six patients who were tested, antibodies to the spike protein were found in only one. That patient had received both mRNA vaccine doses 44 days prior and had a low titer of anti-spike antibody. Using available vaccination data, Dr. Wadei and his team estimated that the infection rate in vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients was 10 times higher than the general population ― 0.6% versus 0.05%.

So it's still just 0.6% infection rate (estimated) for vaccinated solid organ transplant recipients? So about 1 in every 167? That doesn't seem as alarming.


In this small sample of 7 patients diagnosed with Covid after receiving a vaccine, 5 were sick enough to require hospitalization and 3 required oxygen at hospital discharge.
 


Sherri Tenpenny, an anti-vaxxer who was found to be key in spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories, suggested on a recent anti-vax livestream that you may have to “stay away from somebody who's had these shots…forever.”

Another prominent anti-vaxxer suggested quarantining people who have been vaccinated. “There is something being passed from people who are shot up with this poison to others who have not gotten the shot,” said Larry Palevsky, a New York pediatrician and anti-vaxxer, on a separate livestream. They should also “have a badge on their arms that say ‘I've been vaccinated even though it's not a vaccine’ so that we know to avoid them on the street, to not go near them anywhere in society,” he said

This is perfect. So they're going to stay way from us, endorse vaccine passports, and wear masks? Love it.
 
Update on the Tunnels' favorite "COVID Scientist"... Rebekah Jones:

This is a story about Rebekah Jones, a former dashboard manager at the Florida Department of Health (FDOH), who has single-handedly managed to convince millions of Americans that Governor Ron DeSantis has been fudging the state’s COVID-19 data.

When I write “single-handedly,” I mean it, for Jones is not one of the people who have advanced this conspiracy theory but rather is the person who has advanced this conspiracy theory. It has been repeated by others, sure: by partisans across the Internet, by unscrupulous Florida Democrats such as Nikki Fried and Charlie Crist, and on television, by MSNBC in particular. But it flows from a single place: Rebekah Jones. To understand that is to understand the whole game. This is about Jones, and Jones alone. If she falls, it falls.

Jones’s central claim is nothing less dramatic than that she has uncovered a massive conspiracy in the third most populous state in the nation, and that, having done so, she has been ruthlessly persecuted by the governor and his “Gestapo.” Specifically, Jones claims that, while she was working at the FDOH last year, she was instructed by her superiors to alter the “raw” data so that Florida’s COVID response would look better, and that, having refused, she was fired. Were this charge true, it would reflect one of the most breathtaking political scandals in all of American history.

But it’s not true. Indeed, it’s nonsense from start to finish. Jones isn’t a martyr; she’s a myth-peddler. She isn’t a scientist; she’s a fabulist. She’s not a whistleblower; she’s a good old-fashioned confidence trickster. And, like any confidence trickster, she understands her marks better than they understand themselves. On Twitter, on cable news, in Cosmopolitan, and beyond, Jones knows exactly which buttons to push in order to rally the gullible and get out her message. Sober Democrats have tried to inform their party about her: “You may see a conspiracy theory and you want it to be true and you believe it to be true and you forward it to try to make it be true, but that doesn’t make it true,” warns Jared Moskowitz, the progressive Democrat who has led Florida’s fight against COVID. But his warnings have fallen on deaf ears. Since she first made her claims a little under a year ago, Jones has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars through multiple GoFundMe accounts (and, once she realized that she was losing a percentage to credit-card fees, through paper checks); she has become a darling of the online Left; and, by pointing to her own, privately run dashboard, which shows numbers that make Florida’s COVID response look worse than it has been, she has caused millions of people to believe quite sincerely that the state’s many successes during the pandemic have been built atop fraud. Stephen Glass, the famous writer-turned-liar who spent years inventing stories but got caught when he pushed it too far, could only have dreamed of such a result.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/rebekah-jones-the-covid-whistleblower-who-wasnt/
 
I don't know if she's telling the truth or not, but that article does zero to disprove her claims. If state officials are covering up a COVID cover up, they definitely aren't going to hand over files incriminating themselves. Which is the "proof" of that article. Her state personnel files.

Anus posts an article that says, without any backing evidence, that she is making it all up (maybe she is, I don't really know anything about her), as proof that she is making it all up. If that doesn't tell you what he - and the GOP - believes are "facts", I don't know what does.
 
Plenty of facts in that article. Call me crazy... but I'm starting to think posters on the Tunnels have a problem with basic reading comprehension when it doesn't support the lefty narrative.

Fact #1 - According to her personnel file, she was never fired for "refusing to take part in a cover-up":

Jones’s journey began on May 18, 2020, on which day she was dismissed by the Florida Department of Health. Today, she claims that she was fired because she had refused to take part in a massive cover-up. But as her personnel file shows, not only was there no cover-up but the agency did everything it could to de-escalate the situation around this employee before it eventually became untenable. Indeed, as the records clearly show, indulging Jones had been its approach from the outset. At the time she was hired, the state government knew from its background check that Jones had completed a pre-trial intervention program in Louisiana in 2018, thereby securing a “no conviction” record for “battery of a police officer,” and it knew that she had entered into a deferred-prosecution agreement with the State of Florida in 2017 after being charged with “criminal mischief.” And yet it hired her anyway. Had she applied for a more important role, the forest of red flags that Jones leaves wherever she goes might well have prevented this mistake—especially given that she did not mention any of them in her application. But Jones wasn’t there to fill an important role. She was there to run a website.

Fact #2 - Per her direct quotes in an AP article last year, she denied tampering with data on deaths and she didn't even have the ability in her position to edit the data.

Today, Jones insists that the members of an ever-growing cast within the government of Florida ordered her to “fudge” the numbers. Back in May 2020, however, the Associated Press reported that she had not alleged “any tampering with data on deaths, hospital symptom surveillance, hospitalizations for COVID-19, numbers of new confirmed cases, or overall testing rates,” and that she had acknowledged that “Florida has been relatively transparent.” Why did Jones initially decline to make such allegations? Because, as she knew full well, she had not been in a sufficiently senior position to have been able to do such a thing, even if she had been asked. In her role as the manager of the dashboard, Jones did not have the ability to edit the raw data. Only a handful of people in Florida are permitted to touch that information, and Jones was not among them. Instead, each day she was given a copy of the data and charged with uploading it into the system in a manner determined by the epidemiological team. Had she for some reason decided to alter that copy, it would have been obvious to everyone within seconds of its being compared with the original.

Fact #3 - Her dashboard is fed by the data from the FDOH. Why would she do this if the data from the FDOH is fraudulent?

To understand just how far removed Jones really is from the actual data, consider that even now—even as she rakes in cash from the gullible to support her own independent dashboard—she is using precisely the same FDOH data used by everyone else in the world. Yes, you read that right: Jones’s “rebel” dashboard is hooked up directly to the same FDOH that she pretends daily is engaged in a conspiracy. As Jones herself confirmed on Twitter: “I use DOH’s data. If you access the data from both sources, you’ll see that it is identical.” She just displays them differently.

Fact #4 - She lied about the "raid" on her house as the released video footage proved:

Jones now claims that she was “terrified” by the police’s visit. But even this seems to be highly questionable. Not only did she prepare for the visit by creating a made-for-the-cameras sign that read “Biden hire me!”—hardly the instantaneous work of someone who is surprised that the cops are at the door—but she subsequently spread a host of extraordinary claims about the conduct of the police that, after festering online for a while and spawning a swiftly dropped lawsuit from Jones, were flatly disproven by the release of the body-camera footage. As the Tampa Bay Times recently noted, despite Jones’s having “claimed on Twitter that the agents ‘pointed a gun in my face. They pointed guns at my kids,’” the bodycam video “does not appear to show police pointing their guns at anyone in the house.” On the contrary: It shows the police waiting outside patiently for 22 minutes; it shows them trying to minimize the disruption to her children by encouraging her to come and talk to them at the door; and it shows them repeatedly calling Jones to find out why she wasn’t cooperating. After the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) had released the footage, a spokesman confirmed what anyone who watches it can see: that at no point during the search did the agents point their guns at anyone in the house.
 
 
Plenty of facts in that article. Call me crazy... but I'm starting to think posters on the Tunnels have a problem with basic reading comprehension when it doesn't support the lefty narrative.

Fact #1 - According to her personnel file, she was never fired for "refusing to take part in a cover-up":



Fact #2 - Per her direct quotes in an AP article last year, she denied tampering with data on deaths and she didn't even have the ability in her position to edit the data.



Fact #3 - Her dashboard is fed by the data from the FDOH. Why would she do this if the data from the FDOH is fraudulent?



Fact #4 - She lied about the "raid" on her house as the released video footage proved:

Fact #1 is a semantics argument. She was fired because she refused to present the COVID data in a way that made Florida's response seem better than what she believed it really was. Whether that's a example of the department of health trying to "cover-up" their response or not really depends on your definition of a "cover-up".

Fact #2 shows how little you or the author understand dashboard development. You don't need read/write access to the raw data to change metrics or remove rows. You can do these things in the dashboard software you use to present the data. I think she used ArcGIS and you can absolutely do that in that software. You can still fudge numbers without tampering the original data.

Fact #3 is a strawman. She never had issue with the raw data nor did she claim it was fraudulent. She had issue with the way the department made her present it.

Fact #4 is inconclusive. The police never released the body cam video of the two officers in the video below who first entered her house. One of them is clearly pointing a weapon. The police released video is also below if you don't believe me. They only released body cam video of the officers who stayed outside the house. Wonder why? Also, as a "small government" conservative, are you comfortable with the SWAT team confronting a disgruntled fired former state employee who was never charged with a crime? I'm not.

 
Rebekah Jones made several questionable, at best, decisions in her personal and professional life before working for the state of Florida

while married with a child, she had an affair with a student, then threatened him when he broke it off, then posted revenge porn while working for FSU

now, she is monetizing her fame by receiving donations for her dashboard

maybe she has completely reformed and is now a trustworthy person, but I would take her word with a pretty large grain of salt
 
good news from the CDC, though I do wonder how responsive businesses will be

kinda curious about the airplane thing -- I guess it's because people are packed so close, but isn't it like #elite at air filtration?
 
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Hey look we don’t care about statistically insignificant quantities, why does Biden and public health official hate (insert some anecdotes about vulnerable populations)
 
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