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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

It probably doesn’t hurt that Trump went on Fox News the morning of the election and shit all over them for not doing enough for him.

(Not directed at you)

On some level you can't be surprised when a real life dummy that literally tries his best to not know things has his ass kissed for 4+ years and the moment a crack appears... well, your self absorbed - brain rotting self can't actual understand the pivot.
 
I'm not even all that optimistic for winning one of the seats myself. This was an awful election cycle for Congressional Democratic candidates, and while Biden did well, winning even one of these Senate seats in a runoff is a tall order. Given how badly it went, the Democrats are lucky they didn't lose the House, and they're apparently going to hold it with only a bare majority. Control of the House is definitely in play in 2022, especially as Republicans will control most of the state legislatures around the country and will be sure to heavily gerrymander House districts again for this entire decade.

I agree, doubt democrats can win either Senate runoff in GA. Trump extra voters won't turnout. But more of the suburban traditional republicans can feel better about voting for an R senate than for Trump. If democrats could keep the same turnout they could win, but I doubt it happens.

You second point is the biggest problem with our democracy. With the way things are gerrymandered at state levels, and no legal ways to really challenge it, I'm not sure how it can ever be corrected. We need some type of constitutional amendment making districting non partisan and the same methodology nation wide, or either you'll need a very progressive liberal court system. Neither seem like anytime soon. Even in say lean Democrat states, the districts are so gerrymandered Democrats can't win state wide. America itself has a broken political system.
 
Its a slow burn process. Most people that are constantly watching Fox News aren't actually going to change their vote even if they agree with what Pete says, but he says it in a way the Fox anchors have no defense or pushback too, and it normalizes the Democrat message. Trying to convince people that have been part of team sports politics or are brainwashed into believing stereotypes takes a while to change. But you have to take the small gains and be willing to continue to change and push back on the false messaging.

Yep. Imagine trying to convince Wake fans that Duke and UNC don’t suck. That’s what we are up against trying to convince brainwashed people that Democrats aren’t evil baby killers who want to kill grandma with government health care.

I really thought a high turnout election would show we can leave them behind and move on in a reality based government. This election showed that’s just not true.
 
Looks like Trump might win Arizona by a very very small margin, perhaps even smaller than Biden wins Georgia.

I think the stuff that has come in today is disproportionally not Maricopa county, which will have a larger drop tonight. At least that's what I've pieced together.
 
I think the stuff that has come in today is disproportionally not Maricopa county, which will have a larger drop tonight. At least that's what I've pieced together.

So do we know how much is left from Maricopa?
 
Again, if Pelosi wants Dems to run on winning issues, she should be passing bills regarding those issues in the House and advertising the hell out of them.

Honestly, it's past time for the Congressional Dem leadership to retire and hand the reigns over to someone else, starting with Schumer and Pelosi. They're great at raising massive amounts of campaign funds, but judging from the results (with the exception of the House results in 2018, and I'm not sure that Pelosi had much to do with it) over the past decade they often don't seem to have a clue with how to effectively use the money to elect Democrats. I keep thinking back to that article that Ph (think it was Ph) posted recently where Schumer actually told Jeff Jackson, one of brightest and most effective Dems in the NC state legislature, that he didn't want Jackson to follow through with his plans to hold large rallies and organize the state at the grassroots level to beat Tillis this year, but instead he wanted Jackson to stay in a "windowless office" and raise gobs of campaign cash to use to blanket the state with ads. Yeah, Chuck, that strategy really worked out well in KY and SC and the other states you tried it in this year. These people have a deskbound, DC-centric view of campaigning that is way out of touch with what's happening in the country. The Dems could actually use some congressional leadership from purple and battleground states, as that's where elections are won or lost. I'm sure that McConnell loves having Schumer as his opposite number.
 
Somebody else posted it but I certainly agree. Jeff Jackson would have won.
 
100% correct. Republicans are great at the sport of politics. They are all about symbols and messages that work, even though there is very little policy behind it. Democrats allow republicans to label everything as socialist or let a small section of the left wing lead with defund the police messages.

Even if some of those are your actual policy goals you have to be astute enough to realize it’s terrible messaging. Democrats do have policy positions that poll very well in broad terms, but they suck at messaging, allow Fox News and the talk radio echo chamber to overwhelm and scare people and spend too much time infighting about purity and winning twitter popularity contests.

Look at what Pete Buttigedge was able to do with all of those Fox appearances. That type of messaging is needed.

+1000. Democrats used to be great at messaging - JFK and the "New Frontier", FDR and the "New Deal" (and also his concern for the "Forgotten Man" and the way he addresses national radio audiences as "my friends..."), Harry Truman was "Give 'Em Hell Harry." It was the Republicans who had the problems creating a winning message. The best messaging tends to be short, catchy, and is repeated constantly. Republicans are now masters of it - socialism, the "Radical Left", and so on. It may be bullshit, but it works. Democrats never seem to adequately respond, and they rarely have catchy slogans of their own anymore. They instead present boring six-point bullet-point plans that no one actually reads, I remember some Democratic candidate a few years ago kept referring in a debate to their website where people could read about all of their wonderful plans. Nobody is going to do that shit.
 
The math says if Biden can clear 61% of the remaining 18K and change votes that remain to be counted he will take the lead. There are 9K potential ex-pat ballots and several thousand provisional ballots that still need to be cleared in addition to those 18K. Some of the 18K are in R counties (maybe 20%).
 
PA count some more votes baybee and let's wrap this thing up
 
The math says if Biden can clear 61% of the remaining 18K and change votes that remain to be counted he will take the lead. There are 9K potential ex-pat ballots and several thousand provisional ballots that still need to be cleared in addition to those 18K. Some of the 18K are in R counties (maybe 20%).

Clayton County dropped about 300 votes earlier where Biden won 87%. There are supposed to be around ~7k left coming from Clayton. Biden is going to take Georgia pending any military ballots or provisionals.
 
 
I think there is some truth in this. Either Trump starts his on channel or he gets some type of show on Fox News. But my other thought is corporate republicans have to actually love what happened if Biden eventually wins as it appears. Republicans won the senate so nothing major can get passed. Anything bad that happens gets blamed on Biden since he is president and they longer have to defend the Trump craziness and volatility factor.

+1. I remember reading an article about a couple of months ago in which a GOP political consultant was interviewed and said that if Biden won the GOP leadership and strategists would not be terribly upset, because they could then switch to blaming Dems for the pandemic and economic downturn and anything else that might happen over the next two years, and he was confident that the GOP could retake the House and Senate (assuming they lost it this year) in 2022. It's a terrible way of thinking for the country, but based on recent political history it seems to work for them.
 
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drove up to Erie last week and it was Trump country for sure
 
 
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