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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

BillBrasky said:
What is being underestimated is the amount of “Christians” who can live with kids being held in cages in exchange for a 2% lower tax rate.
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i'm not sure it's being underestimated, but we sure as shit need to call them on it. Jesus would never have voted for Donald Trump.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
personality is hugely important in American presidential politics
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I think this is it. We thought defeating Bush II should have been a slam dunk, but running with a vanilla candidate hoping hatred for Bush would land it didn't work. What this shows IMO is the hatred for Trump is really deep because a vanilla candidate has likely defeated him. The Dems need to find someone inspiring for future elections - that IMO is more important that any policy.
 
A Dem candidate saying “I am strongly pro-life” would also obviously lose a shitload of actual Dem voters.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
I reject the idea that a progressive platform can't win

Obama 2008 was quite progressive as a candidate (obviously not as a President) and he has the most all-time popular votes of any presidential candidate by a lot


progressive politics can work, but -- more than I'd care to admit -- personality is hugely important in American presidential politics
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That's the most troubling thing to me. What issue did Trump run on this time? Law and Order? Stopping socialism? Everybody gets a piece of candy and a hand-job?

What progressive issues did Biden not push enough? Is the thought that Hispanics in Miami-Dade would have voted for Biden if he had just pushed harder for MFA?

to be clear, I am not suggesting that MFA is wrong, or something that would have turned voters away. I just don't think this was an issues election, and I don't know that we are in a position to have an issues election.
 
Donkey Deac Doug said:
Dude, I know a ton of one-issue voters. If a Dem candidate said, "I am strongly pro-life," they would open the door to a bunch of votes. If a Pub candidate said, "I am strongly in favor of universal healthcare," they would open the door to a bunch of votes. My wife didn't vote for Trump because he's white and she hates black people, she voted for Trump because there is nothing in the world more politically important to her than being pro-life. Full stop.

You guys have got to stop attributing voting one way or another to "stupidity." It's unbecoming and not reflective of your ability to think deeply on an issue.

Townie is spouting straight truth at you guys and you just gotta listen. Dude is smart as balls.
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I don’t see evidence though that coming out against abortion wouldn’t have a corresponding negative impact from pro-choice crowd

US Rep in the Chicago suburbs was an anti-choice Democrat and he got got in the primary this go around because of it
 
ChrisL68 said:
Your childish petulant anger doesn't really address the point that candidates that you believe have a winning message nationality have exhibited no actual ability to do so.
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Same to you though. Dems put forth an ancient centrist candidate, a real no malarkey trust worthy guy, to try and manufacture a landslide victory over a racist, narcissistic, conman, incumbent and we are desperately trying to hang on to a 60k vote spread across three states. Your not standing on solid ground.
 
TenaciousKory said:
NYT: "Trump campaign officials tell reporters that "if all legally cast ballots, we believe the president will win." They continue to describe Fox News, AP calls of Arizona for Biden as "just plain wrong.""
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Thing with AZ that could give them hope is many people have voted by mail there for years, so it isn't as likely to skew D because of the 'rona. Guess it all hinges on where there are votes to be counted and how many.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Your childish petulant anger doesn't really address the point that candidates that you believe have a winning message nationality have exhibited no actual ability to do so.
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Not because the country rejects their message, the country hasn't been given the opportunity to hear it. Because the party rejects it. Because it is more scared of losing the Greensboro rich white guy tax do-er vote than appealing to the Ohio long-haul trucker vote.

Ph nailed it. Why did 6 million Floridians vote for a $15 minimum wage, but fewer than 6 million Floridians vote for Biden? 20% of Trump voters in Florida voted for a $15 minimum wage.
 
Truth of the matter is, most "one-issue" 'pubs (and I am not talking about Ms. Knight specifically) would find another reason to vote for a 'pub even if a dem said they were pro-life.
 
DeacMan said:
Thing with AZ that could give them hope is many people have voted by mail there for years, so it isn't as likely to skew D because of the 'rona. Guess it all hinges on where there are votes to be counted and how many.
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Can we all just agree to late term abort Deacman?
 
ChrisL68 said:
she outperformed Biden by 6 points against the senate majority leader where those progressives underperformed against Biden against much less well-known senate candidates. I think the amount of money she given was crazy put that's a different point.
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This is probably the best point. Democrats definitely needed to expand the map and did so to great success (at least in the House) in 2018, but there were too many places with just clearly wasted $$$ this cycle, McGrath being one of them. Harrison in SC was definitely another (though Feinstein giving Graham legitimacy with the Barrett hearings also didn't help). Sometimes you just need to accept that you're going to lose by between 15-20 points and let the candidate do their best fundraising on their own. That money could have been much more wisely spent in PA, GA, and NC, hell even FL.
 
Gooner said:
Rubes don't care about anyone but themselves. Granny can die from COVID so long as they can still go get fried mayonnaise balls down at the local diner.
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this sounds delicious

mako1331 said:
It rhymes with "smshortion"
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if abortion becomes illegal, i guarantee you all of the evangelicals will come up with a new reason to support trump. Abortion just provides air cover for them to keep deluding themselves. Can you imagine a Trump voter saying, "Fine, abortion is illegal - now it's time to get to the liberal part of Jesus' teachings where he instructs us all to care for the poor and love our neighbors." NOPE
 
birdman said:
Same to you though. Dems put forth an ancient centrist candidate, a real no malarkey trust worthy guy, to try and manufacture a landslide victory over a racist, narcissistic, conman, incumbent and we are desperately trying to hang on to a 60k vote spread across three states. Your not standing on solid ground.
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I would rather barely beat Trump and be disappointed in the electorate than give him a landslide victory.
 
birdman said:
Same to you though. Dems put forth an ancient centrist candidate, a real no malarkey trust worthy guy, to try and manufacture a landslide victory over a racist, narcissistic, conman, incumbent and we are desperately trying to hang on to a 60k vote spread across three states. Your not standing on solid ground.
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Townie's irrational confidence aside, there is no democrat standing on solid ground right now with respect to how to best move the party forward. I think from a presidential perspective, you could absolutely go with the idea of choosing charisma over everything else. But that doesn't help with elections down the ballot and in midterms.
 
Donkey Deac Doug said:
Dude, I know a ton of one-issue voters. If a Dem candidate said, "I am strongly pro-life," they would open the door to a bunch of votes. If a Pub candidate said, "I am strongly in favor of universal healthcare," they would open the door to a bunch of votes. My wife didn't vote for Trump because he's white and she hates black people, she voted for Trump because there is nothing in the world more politically important to her than being pro-life. Full stop.

You guys have got to stop attributing voting one way or another to "stupidity." It's unbecoming and not reflective of your ability to think deeply on an issue.

Townie is spouting straight truth at you guys and you just gotta listen. Dude is smart as balls.
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No offence, but I think that one issue voters are very short sighted, to be polite. It's like saying that Mussolini made the trains run on time. Particularly when it comes to abortion. Making abortions illegal will not stop them from happening, it just makes them more dangerous. The way to stop abortions is to remove the factors that make people get abortions, like expensive prenatal care and low wages. Maybe make adoptions a more viable option for people. Republicans don't have answers for that. They care about the sanctity of life for the fetus, but not the quality of life for the child.
 
 
ChrisL68 said:
she outperformed Biden by 6 points against the senate majority leader where those progressives underperformed Biden against much less well-known senate candidates. I think the amount of money she raised was crazy put that's a different point.
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but this is the important part. the party would rather take a flier on a centrist candidate in KY than support progressive candidates against much less well-known senate candidates. yikes.
 
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