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Republican Bullshit

Alyssa Milano is not a fascist and I would definitely vote for her over Dick Cheney who authorized war crimes.
 
Also I’m not sure how that hypothetical answered the question regarding whether Trumpism is emblematic of the republican party. If all republicans were truly holding their nose voting for Trump, why was he not beaten out by another candidate in 2016 or even 2020 primaries?
 
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Yes, the more apt comparison would be maybe a John Kasich or Mitt Romney.

Secondly, the democratic party would never get in the position of nominating somebody like A Milano because the party respects competence and reason. It wasn't the Dems who took the last train to crazy town nominating cray cray and know nothing legislators with a populist idiot as their leader.

The idea of somebody horrible from the left is a young dynamic multi-cultural college graduate like AOC who is pushing radical ideas like healthcare that almost all of the rest of the first world has with cheaper costs and similar outcomes.

On the right you have idiot football coaches like Tuberville who doesn't even have a good understanding of American government and QAnon supporting gun toting nuts like Majorie Greene.

I am not saying they are the worst people in the world, but they have been brainwashed by a messaging that keeps us from enacting common sense solutions that seem to be working around the world and the Pub establishment plays into this ethos to avoid doing anything about these problems.
 
I really felt like in 2016 it was more Mary Steenburgen mixed with Lil Kim, with a hint of Shania Twain (plus a small dash of Attila the Hun, a baby rabbit and muenster cheese) v. Jeffrey Epstein, a skosh of whole milk, a tablespoon of Chuck Woolery (plus a chunk of chum, 70% of Satan, and a tube of toothpaste).

Really great post WYOMING, glad to have you on board. Expect great things from you.
 
For the record, my comparison of Cheney was for Hillary. Should have emphasized that a second time. I also was going to throw McCain/Romney out as a comp for Biden.
 
Hillary is also a moderate Dem.

Exactly, at worst you get what the '90s with a Clinton and a republican congress. It wasn't like things were so bad then. Instead the republican party chose a wantabe autocrat who isn't even trying to competently run the government. Everything Trump does is for Trump.
 
Cardi B and Alyssa Milano would've made much better Presidents than Donald Trump.
 
Hillary is also a moderate Dem.

Like all politicians, Hillary has her faults, but the absolute seething hatred that Republicans still hold for her (and to be fair, that hatred is shared by many independents and even a significant number of Democrats) is truly remarkable. Just mention her name and they shiver and start foaming at the mouth. When you look at her actual positions there is nothing radical or socialist about her - like her hubby she's mainly a barely left-of-center Wall Street Democrat. They don't hate her so much because of her policies or political beliefs (despite whatever they may claim to the contrary) they hate her for something else. Maybe it's because of what she symbolizes to them, but that loathing has truly been something to behold over these past two decades, ever since she made her first run for the Senate in NY in 2000. For Republicans she's the political equivalent of JR Ewing on the old Dallas TV series - the person they love to hate.
 
Trump himself is only a symptom of the Republican disease.

this. What "should" have happened is a rational, normal, and to speak their language, god fearing world, is those enablers should have been primaried the f out. Then you could have voted your conscience for actual Republicans that believe what you thi k they still believe. Truth is they don't. Self serving and selfish.
 
For the record, my comparison of Cheney was for Hillary. Should have emphasized that a second time. I also was going to throw McCain/Romney out as a comp for Biden.

Just remember one thread, or even one month, does not an echo chamber make. I posted a while back about working with really great people who were Trump voters and I remember some good discussion around it. You have to realize that right now it's simply a hard time to defend Trump, and since Trump has essentially taken over the Republican party there are way fewer voices willing to intelligently discuss conservative politics. It's true here, it's true at home, at work, and even in news coverage. I mean, MSNBC is talking COVID task forces and economic recovery plans, Fox News is tip-toeing around a ridiculous fake voting narrative and interviewing morons about food truck conspiracies.

I'd echo the "what are your very conservative and very liberal" views, since that would likely anchor some of your arguments. Because the truth is a right-leaning moderate today has been shoved into the "radical liberal" bucket. So anyone not shoved into that bucket who starts a phrase with "Well, I don't like Trump's tweets and I'm not sure I can vote for him, but...." often follow with something horrible like being anti-LGBTQ or claiming mask mandates violate American rights.
 
Basically, you just enabled all of the legislative pubs who never stood up to trump and put party over country to just do the same thing again when the pub yahoo mob supports their next autocratic nominee. The only lesson that the enablers will learn is to pay an electoral price. Instead, they aren't paying any price to pandering to the extreme low information base of the party.


Yep

If someone voted for Republicans down the ballot...they either don’t understand or desire good governance.
 
Let's talk about the 70m who voted for Trump. I would guess my circle of friends and family break down pretty evenly: 1/3 solidly Dem, 1/3 center-right that voted for Biden, 1/3 solidly right, voted for Trump. I can tell you I had many friends on the right who were literally in line to vote trying to decide which way to go.

Before you bash my friends and call them the worst possible humans for voting for Trump, again, ask yourself what you would do in a similar situation. What would you all do in the same, parallel position? Genuinely asking. Before you blurt out, "I would never do the equivalent of voting for Trump," think about it: What if the scenario was Alyssa Milano vs Dick Cheney (I would say this is as comparable as I can come up with for 2016. Caricature of the left vs. a republican that democrats truly believe is the devil...Is that close? Cardi B v McConnell? Dealers choice, yall pick). Let's say you agree with 70% of Alyssa's policies (5% of Cheney's) and while Alyssa was saying some head scratching things on the campaign trail (let's say she said some off-the-cuff comments that sounded like she was going to have some scary-radical policy (that you don't agree with) that encroached on some things republicans hold dear (ie religious liberty, or something)), but you think, overall, her policies would be great. You reason that her antics will be quelled by checks and balances and her policies would be far superior to horrible Cheney. So you roll the dice with Alyssa.

Pick your own characters, but my point remains: my family members and friends who ended up sucking it up and voting for Trump (I do not know a *single* person in my life who is an actual Trump fan (I know they are out there, see my original post)) are just as opposed to racism and bigotry as you are. They just have a different worldview, and in a 2 party system, you aren't voting for Trump in a vacuum. You have to compare one human to one other human and make your determination. I came to a different conclusion as those family and friends, but I do not fault them at all. And if you would have voted for Alyssa Milano over Cheney, you shouldn't either.

It's kind of curious that your two examples for "celebrity caricatures that it would be RIDICULOUS to vote for even if you agreed with all of their policies" are both women, and one is a woman of color. Like it would be a total nutjob idea to vote them into office. There are plenty of politically active male celebrities you could have chosen.
 
Trump was running against Joe effing Biden, not hitler. You should recommend that your friends who still vote Trump in 2020 turn off Fox and Facebook.
 
The GOP house leader said today that Joe Biden might not be president on inauguration day. But let's keep pretending the both sides are equally culpable in the breakdown of government
 
...I would guess my circle of friends and family break down pretty evenly: 1/3 solidly Dem, 1/3 center-right that voted for Biden, 1/3 solidly right, voted for Trump. I can tell you I had many friends on the right...

Well color me absolutely shocked.
 
Remember, Trump refusing to allow the GSA to work with Biden's transition team, or even to give them standard intelligence briefings, is the same as Whoopi Goldberg telling Trump voters on TV to suck it up and accept that their guy lost. Our POTUS can urge Barr and other officials to arrest Hillary, Obama, and his other opponents, and that's exactly the same as a Democratic celebrity somewhere calling Trump voters rednecks or calling them out because they won't wear a freaking mask in the middle of a pandemic. Bosides, bosides everywhere!
 
For the record, my comparison of Cheney was for Hillary. Should have emphasized that a second time. I also was going to throw McCain/Romney out as a comp for Biden.

Cardi B or Milano as Trump is just as bad of a comparison. The only way it works is if your only problem with Trump is his inexperience, and you are OK with his stupidity, deceit and fraud, and bigotry.

ETA Deceit and fraud. I'm sure I'm missing something else.
 
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