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Seems like 90% of pirated shit is just infecting malware on your computer
 
Read the Kristof article before getting too outraged. This is a good day for humanity.
 
Good morning chat thread. If anyone needs to talk and get the pornhub dump out if their mind, in here for you.
 
Not defending pornhub, but did you see in that article where they mentioned how much child pornography is spread on facebook?? It’s fucking insane

Banning content doesn't stop CP spread. Recording and tracing hash values, then investigating the IP address holder prosecutes CP spread. But there's no way to stop it short of instituting internet social security numbers.
 
Thoughts on FOSTA-SESTA, DDD? I have read and listened to a couple stories about it, seems like every government effort to curb sex traffic ends up making life worse for sex workers.
 
Thoughts on FOSTA-SESTA, DDD? I have read and listened to a couple stories about it, seems like every government effort to curb sex traffic ends up making life worse for sex workers.

FOSTA-SESTA was a tool put in the toolbox designed to smash backpage.com. Backpage.com was basically the opposite of pornhub; it had become a craigslist for sex with prostitutes. The market that it created was very real and difficult for law enforcement to regulate to mitigate some very bad outcomes.

The FOSTA-SESTA tool was a lot like other tools that the Government enacts - overbroad and drafted in a calculated way to make sure that the backpages of the world didn't sneak through a loophole.

But I think it's the way you have to do it; you need services like MCMEC. Developing a prostitution-side NCMEC would be the way to go. https://www.missingkids.org/HOME

Here's the real problem - we live in a fucking huge world with super shitty people doing unimaginably shitty things to children and women and men all the time. Every time I think I've been exposed to the absolute floor of what a human being is capable of, another client shows up to blow the previous one out of the water.

Were you ever told as a child, "well, don't worry about what others do - a huge part of their punishment is having to live with themselves. They probably lose sleep at night over what they've done." I'm here to tell you that was a fat fucking lie - because the worst of us; the true worst of us, have less than zero remorse; and not only rationalize their actions, but often justify them in a way that makes them the "good guy."

I'm getting off track - but the real problem is scale. We can't stop all child abuse or sex trafficking because there's so fucking much of it.

Right now, there's an SBI agent looking at a computer screen. On the computer screen is a list of about 1,000 child porn torrents. That SBI agent is harvesting hundreds of IP addresses each day, and sending them off to Spectrum, Time Warner, Charter, whatever else, to get the name/address of the person who downloaded CP from the SBI honeypot. We don't have the resources to prosecute all of those people. We just don't. It's THOUSANDS of different people a month. So the SBI agent gets this list of 100 people from Tuesday or whatever and starts going down the list; "is this person a teacher? A daycare worker? Someone who can get to kids? Someone who lives in a house with a lot of kids? Are they a repeat offender?" And then maybe 1 person a week is prosecuted. Of the 4 a month, maybe 1 actually eventually goes to prison.
 
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good insight; is there anything wrong with trying to stop it though? The specific people in that article had their lives ruined; is your point that people will do that shit anyway so no need to try to monitor it?
 
Thanks for that info DDD. That’s depressing and scary as hell, but I appreciate the informative perspective.

I'm getting worn out a little bit. I gotta get some time away; spend some time with good people again. The pandemic quarantine has taken away a lot of my own positive rehabilitative relationship opportunities, but I still gotta interface with the child exploitation cases. Shits gettin' a little too deep lately.
 
good insight; is there anything wrong with trying to stop it though? The specific people in that article had their lives ruined; is your point that people will do that shit anyway so no need to try to monitor it?

No, I'm saying that since you can't really stop it, you should still try - but you should be much more sensitive to the collateral impacts of your stoppage efforts.

Like, imagine a flood getting ready to wipe out a town. If you are able to procure some rubber bumpers, it'll save your house. But the only way to procure the rubber bumpers is to rob them from the neighboring town - destroying an entire other town.

I see the Pornhub dump as that. Yes, it probably temporarily stopped a few instances of exploitation, but the collateral consequences of how it fundamentally changes privacy and the internet are just straight up not worth it.
 
the existence of pscyho and sociopaths is a tough one for me to grapple with, morally
 
srs q: what are your views on rehabilitation vs. incarceration for CP downloaders. most of them go to prison I'd assume. I also assume (without any ev) that many CP downloaders are themselves victims of trauma/abuse. just curious to hear the opinion of someone with more experience in this - it's a shame you don't really get to hear/gave better conversations about this topic - usually just reporting on big crackdowns or famous names discovered - so thanks for sharing your thoughts
 
We have resources. But our criminal justice justice is centered around punishing far less harmful things than child porn and sex trafficking.
 
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