sailordeac
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The Nuremberg trials were about war crimes, not political disagreement.
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This is about an attempted coup not a “political disagreement.”
sailordeac
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Read Barca's post:
He is talking about a political party that, among other things, has been lying to the public and stoking anger, nominated and elected an unstable narcissist to the White House, and in the end facilitated, supported, and are now blowing off an attempted coup. The party members are bad people, objectively.
It is really strange to me how someone could look at everything that’s happened and conclude that Republicans are the good guys and that labeling them “bad” is akin to the run up to Nazi Germany. Seems like if more Germans had stood up and said “Ahm, Hitler and his Nazi party are bad, mkay?” after his first attempted coup, the world would have been much better off.
sailordeac
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people trying to silence their political opponents, people constantly calling those who disagree them morally bad and deplorable, people constantly trying to impose issues of race and identity politics into every issue, people striving for totalitarian control are a lot closer to Nazis than Republicans are
the left in America today, motivated by a lust for power and resentment, is engaged in a witch craze
modern-day Republicans have nothing to do with Nazis, and even a basic understanding of the history and nature of National Socialism should be more than convincing of that, claims to the contrary are just vacuous nonsense and absurd political rhetoric
the left in America today, motivated by a lust for power and resentment, is engaged in a witch craze
modern-day Republicans have nothing to do with Nazis, and even a basic understanding of the history and nature of National Socialism should be more than convincing of that, claims to the contrary are just vacuous nonsense and absurd political rhetoric
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BeachBumDeac
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Motherfucker what do you think your fucking President did the last four years.
Ok, so let see if I follow you: the people conducting and supporting an attempted violent overthrow of our government and democratic processes are less fascist than the people trying to stop a violent overthrow of our government and democratic processes? Did I get that right?
sailordeac
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when you get something right, I'll let you know, in the meantime, stick to birds
deaconson
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Hi. I'm sailordeac and I hate periods .
If the shit that trump, mcconell, graham, etc have been up to for the last 4 years (mcconell far longer of course) feel free to provide a list of their behavior and priorities for... governing... that you support because its all just a... disagreement??
I think the Neo-Nazi groups like the proud boys would probably disagree with you, but they probably aren’t history scholars like you.
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This kind of thinking leads to disdainful "flyover country" and "basket of deplorables" type comments that helped sink Hillary.
People do not think of themselves as bad. Call them that and you will get similar in return. Many are misguided, misled and gullible.
I suspect that if you sat down one on one with any of approximately 70 million of the 74 million Trump voters and talked about anything except politics, you would think they were a good person.
Short term goal should be about delivering messages that chip away enough voters from the other side to get elected.
The House of Representatives had been under Democratic control for most of four decades when Newt Gingrich came up with the "Contract for America." That was a collection of sound bite talking points that flipped the House.
People need to be given reasons to believe life will be better if they do something different. And today, that message has to fit into a tweet.
The goal should be to convince some portion of the other side that you have a "better mousetrap," not feel good because you can call the other side bad.
People want a reason to believe that life in the future will be better for themselves and, more importantly, for their children and grandchildren.
Jimmy Carter talked about "malaise in America." Ronald Reagan spoke about America as a "shining beacon on a hill." Who won?
BeachBumDeac
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After January 6th are we still denying that a good number of Trump supporters are deplorable people?
myDeaconmyhand
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What could you say about people who see injustice and suffering in our society, view it at inevitable, and continue to support the political structures that maintain that suffering? Shaming Republicans is all well and good, but Liberals seem to live in that moral area in-between malice and neglect.
myDeaconmyhand
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5 people died in the capital insurrection(?) How many Americans died last year for lack of healthcare, shelter, or food? How many people died due to the sanctions that America has placed on foreign “adversaries”? How much medicine are we keeping from the people of Venezuela? How many children have we starved to death in Yemen through a proxy war? We all have blood on our hands, but a culture war with other Americans makes us feel temporarily better about ourselves.
DeaconSig
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Sure. But in our current fucked-up system, there is only 1 party even considering solutions to any of the issues you raise. That party is far from perfect (or even good or effective), but the other party is a fucking death cult.
WFFaithful
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Stop crying like a baby. Your party fed lies that led to a deadly assault on the US Capitol, and you're upset that you're called a deplorable? FFS.
Call up Madison Cauthon to talk about Nazis. He's a big fan.
ConnorEl
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Yep.
Most, I suspect.
Republicans leadership and the “conservative” mediasphere have painted themselves into a corner of dishonesty, disinformation, deceit, and dishonor. They cannot see a way forward that involves survival as a party apart from continuing along the path of escalating destructive pretense. Illegitimate (dishonest) inflaming of misguided passion will continue as their modus operandi.
sailordeac
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the dem "solution" is Chicago, which is the result of decades - actually close to a century - of dem control, in short, the dem "solution" is the death cult that you are talking about
myDeaconmyhand
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No. That’s what you all need to believe to feel better about yourselves and America, but it isn’t true. There are *people* considering solutions to problems caused by both *parties*
Take a look, does the military budget pass on partisan lines, or does it receive broad bi-partisan support? Our foreign policy - military interventions and economic sanctions? Criminal justice? National tax structure? Labor policy? All bipartisan support for the status quo. Most of the very very worst aspects of America are broadly supported.
DeaconSig
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That's a problem with people then. Not parties. But by that standard, the US is just the same as China, Somalia, Canada, New Zealand, and Saudi Arabia.