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    In reality there was no way that you were ever gonna get an impeachment vote done quick enough to avoid that.

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    Which is why itís important not to let them spin it.

  3. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL68 View Post
    In reality there was no way that you were ever gonna get an impeachment vote done quick enough to avoid that.
    Thanks McConnell.
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    What happens if they get someone who funneled money to the rioters turns on Trump?

    Would that give Trumpee senators a way to vote against him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    The further away we get from the events of January 6th, the longer the right wing media spin machine has to try to erase the history of what we saw and felt during that fucking Insurrection. The time to hold people accountable is now.
    While I donít disagree, does it matter what the spin machine does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdman View Post
    Thanks McConnell.
    But by God they woulda squeezed in one last SCOTUS pick in the last 2 days of Trumpís term if they needed to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ball State Deac View Post
    While I donít disagree, does it matter what the spin machine does?
    Yes. Yes it absolutely does. Republican Senators get cover and can avoid holding Trump responsible if the spin machine has sufficiently downplayed the events of January 6th.

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    Pelosi's hypocrisy knows no limits, and the rest of the dems have been eager to join her:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has gone on record praising the storming of the Capitol as an "impressive show of democracy in action" -- the 2011 invasion of the Madison, Wis., state capitol, that is.

    Pelosi's previous comment's resurfaced following the disturbing assault on the U.S. Capitol earlier this month at the hands of a right wing-mob who stormed the halls of Congress hoping to prevent the certification of the U.S. presidential election.

    The assault drew forceful condemnations from both sides of the political aisle -- including Pelosi -- who wasted little time introducing former President Trump's second impeachment in the House for "inciting" the violence.

    GROWING NUMBER OF GOP SENATORS OPPOSE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT

    Ten years earlier, unionists stormed the Wisconsin State Capitol in an attempt to block a vote on collective bargaining reform. Thousands of demonstrators managed to enter the building by violently breaking down doors and shattering windows -- but the attack garnered much praise from Pelosi and other prominent Democrats at the time.


    The occupiers were praised publically by Pelosi for their "impressive show of democracy in action." The House Speaker took to Twitter to express her "solidarity" with the activists as they attacked the Capitol, and sent senators into hiding until police managed to remove them from the building.


    Fox News contributor Mark Thiessen highlighted Pelosi's previous remarks in a column for the Washington Post earlier this month, oberving that "in other words, Democrats were for occupying capitols before they were against it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    Yes. Yes it absolutely does. Republican Senators get cover and can avoid holding Trump responsible if the spin machine has sufficiently downplayed the events of January 6th.
    I think what you will see, regardless of the spin on the actual facts is something along the following: (1) it is unconstitutional to convict a former president; (2) he's a former president so what is the point - why should we bar him from running - that is up to the people; (3) the house process was sloppy without evidence or witnesses; and/or (4) this will only further divide the country.

    That seems like a much better path to both stave off a primary challenge without getting yourself slaughtered in a general for defending what Trump did. I just don't see the political incentive to convict this guy from GOP Senators. Sad that they're not going to put the country and justice ahead of their own careers, but here we are.

  11. #471
    Republicans = sad.

    Party and power over country (honesty, decency, etc.) almost every time.
    I love mankind...itís people I canít stand!!

  12. #472
    Not that it would work but in that case I hope the dems and press would hammer them for being soft on the abhorrent criminal activities of a wealthy white man, not least coming from the "party of law and order" and "personal accountability".

  13. #473
    I think Pubs will once again cower to lower impulses...and their deluded base.

    And Trump will be empowered with another acquittal. And his transient relative silence will end.

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  14. #474
    pubs suck. They got exactly what they signed up for with king trumpf.

    Something like 30k lies, all lies so we're now told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ball State Deac View Post
    I think what you will see, regardless of the spin on the actual facts is something along the following: (1) it is unconstitutional to convict a former president; (2) he's a former president so what is the point - why should we bar him from running - that is up to the people; (3) the house process was sloppy without evidence or witnesses; and/or (4) this will only further divide the country.

    That seems like a much better path to both stave off a primary challenge without getting yourself slaughtered in a general for defending what Trump did. I just don't see the political incentive to convict this guy from GOP Senators. Sad that they're not going to put the country and justice ahead of their own careers, but here we are.
    Sure, you'll see the arguments in your 1st paragraph. But I get back to what impeachment is all about is the balancing act of Pubs weighing how little they want to piss off Trimpites v. how scared they are that he may be viable in 2024. If they see him as potentially viable, you'll get at least 18 to vote to convict. If they think he's done, then they won't want to anger his loyal following. And that isn't so easy to predict. From a financial and legal perspective, Trump is in terrible shape moving forward. But from a political perspective, he still holds 75-80% of the party. There was a maybe 5-10% erosion from 1/6/21, but that's all.

    Let's step back from our hatred of what the Pub party has become for a minute. McConnell is facing an existential dilemma. Look at what the AZ Pubs just did. McConnell isn't so delusional that he can't do a basic cost/benefit analysis. He may be a total prick, but he's smart at the same time. He knows he can't permit the real possibility that Trump could be elected president again. But if he does what he has to do to prevent that possibility, he runs the real risk of a party schism, which would destroy the party's near future. The only thing that would relieve him of this dilemma would be for Trump either to die or become incapacitated. And he probably prays for such an event on a daily basis. Whichever path he chooses, we still have the real problem that 40% of the country resides in an alternative reality created by right wing and social media, and we're in for a rocky next few years.

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    An alternative "reality" enabled by McConnell.

    Poor guy.
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    Republicans aren't going to convict Trump for inciting a violent white mob because Republicans need Trump to incite violent white mobs to vote for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Republicans aren't going to convict Trump for inciting a violent white mob because Republicans need Trump to incite violent white mobs to vote for them.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    Sure, you'll see the arguments in your 1st paragraph. But I get back to what impeachment is all about is the balancing act of Pubs weighing how little they want to piss off Trimpites v. how scared they are that he may be viable in 2024. If they see him as potentially viable, you'll get at least 18 to vote to convict. If they think he's done, then they won't want to anger his loyal following. And that isn't so easy to predict. From a financial and legal perspective, Trump is in terrible shape moving forward. But from a political perspective, he still holds 75-80% of the party. There was a maybe 5-10% erosion from 1/6/21, but that's all.

    Let's step back from our hatred of what the Pub party has become for a minute. McConnell is facing an existential dilemma. Look at what the AZ Pubs just did. McConnell isn't so delusional that he can't do a basic cost/benefit analysis. He may be a total prick, but he's smart at the same time. He knows he can't permit the real possibility that Trump could be elected president again. But if he does what he has to do to prevent that possibility, he runs the real risk of a party schism, which would destroy the party's near future. The only thing that would relieve him of this dilemma would be for Trump either to die or become incapacitated. And he probably prays for such an event on a daily basis. Whichever path he chooses, we still have the real problem that 40% of the country resides in an alternative reality created by right wing and social media, and we're in for a rocky next few years.
    20 Republicans won a Senate seat in 2020. McConnell should go after a chunk of these guys, and bank on the narrative changing in 6 years when they are up again. Might work.

  20. #480
    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorEl View Post
    An alternative "reality" enabled by McConnell.

    Poor guy.
    I don't disagree and am not sympathizing with him. Just taking a step back and looking at it from his perspective. Mitch made his deal with the devil and is now facing some ugly consequences.

    Ph, the Pub dilemma is how to get the white mob to turnout en masse in 2024 without Trump being the nominee. You either vote to convict and possibly sever the party or don't convict and possibly do irreparable damage to party and country. We live in a dangerous time.

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