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  1. #61
    And before you go all red scare on me, yes I support capitalism. And America is and can continue to be great. But for gods sake put some fucking guardrails on it and enforce (or even reintroduce) accountability or we will be fucked. What built us in the past needs to evolve with the times.

  2. #62
    “Scattering the few current residents” is a weird way to describe genocide.

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  4. #64
    For what its worth, I have no input here. But I'm enjoying the hell out of the discussion and learning a lot.
    As a former (long ago) history major/teacher my question is, I'm wondering what we are teaching our children these days on the merits/demerits of these systems?
    It will be their decision what path we take. Or is it?
    But back to your discussion; I do know all your education and depth is shining through. Your parents would be proud.
    Last edited by DeacsPop; 02-02-2021 at 12:19 PM.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by MHBDemon View Post
    9 years olds getting pepper sprayed.

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    Liberty and privilege are not the same.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by 06deacon View Post
    it was sarcastic
    painfully obvious sarcasm

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
    american exceptionalism is such a load of horseshit.
    Speak for yourself

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by MHBDemon View Post
    9 years olds getting pepper sprayed.

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    Weird response. These types of stories are neither endemic nor unique to capitalism. Plus, under our system of government, the girl who was pepper sprayed will probably get paid for her experience. As for the lady whose husband died, that's obviously very sad, but you are aware that the coronavirus is killing people in other countries too, yes?

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by 06deacon View Post
    Do you think that maybe some other things have also helped build American prosperity such as an embarrassment of natural resources that were geographically isolated and untouched for millennia while the rest of the world progressed? We could just...walk right up and have them after scattering the few current residents. Or that those other societies destroyed themselves so thoroughly with two world wars that never reached our shores leaving an enormous void for us?

    It seems like a huge blind spot to credit Republican religion while not considering any other factors, and to assume that unchanging faith in that religion will 100% guarantee future success. And you’re supposed to be the party of business, good luck running a business with that mindset.
    I'm heartened to see that, despite your bluster, you agree with the concept of American exceptionalism, even if you disagree with me as to the causes for it.

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    One of "American" exceptionalism's foundation is built on the best and the brightest wanting to come to America. Immigrants are central to our successes.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeBored View Post
    Speak for yourself
    speaking for anyone who thinks that a person is born in one drawn country border is superior to everyone else not born in the same drawn country border. it's stupid.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
    speaking for anyone who thinks that a person is born in one drawn country border is superior to everyone else not born in the same drawn country border. it's stupid.
    That's not what American exceptionalism is about, at least not as I understand it. Maybe some nationalists think that, but I don't think American exceptionalism is the same thing as nationalism at all.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeBored View Post
    I'm heartened to see that, despite your bluster, you agree with the concept of American exceptionalism, even if you disagree with me as to the causes for it.
    if you say so Junebug

  14. #74
    Junebug probably sneers at those morons who win the lottery then manage to blow through hundreds of millions of dollars and end up broke and drunk in a ditch. He’ll rationally tell you they stupidly thought they were exceptional but should have put in the effort to set themselves up for lasting success. While simultaneously telling you America is exceptional for...reasons.

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    Sorry, Junebug, U.S. News has us ranked 7th, so there are 6 countries more exceptional than us.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...es%20assessed.

  16. #76
    American exceptionalism sounds like what some helicopter parent thinks of their little darling who should be given an A just because

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeBored View Post
    Weird response. These types of stories are neither endemic nor unique to capitalism. Plus, under our system of government, the girl who was pepper sprayed will probably get paid for her experience. As for the lady whose husband died, that's obviously very sad, but you are aware that the coronavirus is killing people in other countries too, yes?
    Lifelong trauma, but hey! She's going to get paid!

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeBored View Post
    That's not what American exceptionalism is about, at least not as I understand it. Maybe some nationalists think that, but I don't think American exceptionalism is the same thing as nationalism at all.
    american exceptionalism is thinking that there is something different (better) about americans because we are americans

    it doesn't think about humans first as humans

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
    american exceptionalism is thinking that there is something different (better) about americans because we are americans

    it doesn't think about humans first as humans
    That is not what I mean when I use the phrase. When I use the phrase, what I mean is that our economic system and our system of government allow for human flourishing in a way that other economic systems/systems of governance do not. It's not that Americans are "better" than people from everywhere else. Instead, it's that our economic/government systems allow us to flourish in a way that other systems do not. If you were to switch the American people with the people from any other country, you'd still have American exceptionalism, so long as they bought into our economic/government systems. If you want to throw in "big country, vast resources, geographic separation from Europe, etc" as causative factors too, I won't take much issue with that, but I think it is our economic/government systems that are really doing the work here.
    Last edited by WakeBored; 02-02-2021 at 06:24 PM.

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    not everyone is allowed to do the "flourishing"

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