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Will Trump start a 3rd Party

Will Trump start his own political party?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • No

    Votes: 18 72.0%

  • Mako

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
BillBrasky said:
The big losers here are the American people. There needs to be massive party disruption and realignment. The two-party system only benefits the investor class, Dems and Pubs alike both shit on the poor and underprivileged. Either it happens politically or it happens in the streets. The unrest and outrage of the last year isn’t going anywhere.
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There will always be periods of civil unrest, things will always move back towards the center, and change will always be incremental.
 
ChrisL68 said:
There will always be periods of civil unrest, things will always move back towards the center, and change will always be incremental.
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Societal change being incremental is a massive myth. Propaganda of the ruling class. Racial, economic and social change come quick and fast and is generally born out of a crisis. Post-COVID and Trump America is going to be crisis filled.
 
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For many years the Democratic party was a big tent agglomeration of the jim crow white southern states, big city states and organize labor. This big tent party had as many as 70 Senators at one time. The "solid south" would reliably deliver electoral votes to the Democratic nominee for president and fill the Senate and House seats with Democrats

The republicans were the middle of the country, western states, suburbs and some northeastern liberals and the black vote, the "party of Lincoln."

The passage of the civil rights and voting rights acts by the Democratic administrations moved the black vote to D.

Nixon's "southern strategy" and the nomination of the anti-war candidate George McGovern began the shift of the southern white vote to the Republican party. And Trump is the latest manifestation of that effort.

"Big tent" parties are not new in American politics. Sometimes the two sides of the tent are very far apart, but find it useful to work together for common objectives. That is where the Democrats of the center left and the far left need to be. The need to work together to push the radical right republican party to the minority status it was in the 60's and earlier.
 
BillBrasky said:
Societal change being incremental is a massive myth. Propaganda of the ruling class. Racial, economic and social change come quick and fast and is generally born out of a crisis. Post-COVID and Trump America is going to be crisis filled.
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Societal change tends to actually proceed under a punctuated equilibrium model. We go through short periods of large, revolutionary change with longer interim periods of relative stasis or slow incremental change. The revolutionary change periods tend to coincide with major events like technological advancements or environmental perturbations. COVID and an attempted coup in the US might be sparks for big change, might not though. Covid and the Coup are really a product of other phenomenon growing over the last 3 or more decades: globalization, digital networking, climate change. Revolutionary changes in the way individuals live their lives are resisted at the macro level or we lack the governmental infrastructure to manage new technologies. Society often tend to resist changes because people that amassed power and wealth under the old systems don't want to give things up.
 
birdman said:
Societal change tends to actually proceed under a punctuated equilibrium model. We go through short periods of large, revolutionary change with longer interim periods of relative stasis or slow incremental change. The revolutionary change periods tend to coincide with major events like technological advancements or environmental perturbations. COVID and an attempted coup in the US might be sparks for big change, might not though. Covid and the Coup are really a product of other phenomenon growing over the last 3 or more decades: globalization, digital networking, climate change. Revolutionary changes in the way individuals live their lives are resisted at the macro level or we lack the governmental infrastructure to manage new technologies. Society often tend to resist changes because people that amassed power and wealth under the old systems don't want to give things up.
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I think that's a reasonable conclusion. I think banking on one of those paradigm shifts as part of your short term or even significant mid term strategy is probably not very advisable.
 
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ChrisL68 said:
It certainly isn't going to change by segregating yourself into an ideologically pure but politically powerless segment of the body politic.
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you also aren't going to change by talking about how change is impossible


state of Illinois just passed a major police reform bill yesterday, brought forth by the Black Caucus, written and supported by progressives -- all momentum for the legislation can be directly traced to popular actions taken throughout the summer by mass protests and people organizing outside the party itself

there is work to be done within and work to be done without
 
I take it Brasky was fully supportive of the Capitol riots and insurrection, he is team burn it all down after all.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
you also aren't going to change by talking about how change is impossible


state of Illinois just passed a major police reform bill yesterday, brought forth by the Black Caucus, written and supported by progressives -- all momentum for the legislation can be directly traced to popular actions taken throughout the summer by mass protests and people organizing outside the party itself

there is work to be done within and work to be done without
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saying that change is incremental is not saying that change is impossible.

and in the realm of national politics, a very blue state passing police reform (that I agree with) is incremental change.

And how do you get progressive change enacted into law? by giving Dems a governing coalition in the state.

Having the VP to cast the deciding vote in the Senate is probably not going to allow you to get a laundry list of progressive goals enacted. Want more progressive stuff? Make sure fewer Pubs are in government.
 
Gotta do something soon over voting rights and integrity. Sort of a crossing the isle thing as an olive branch.
 
Republicans don’t want integrity. They want to control who votes.
 
PhDeac said:
Republicans don’t want integrity. They want to control who votes.
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KickballDeac said:
Huh.

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This is floating around as the logo. It would explain the two tweets in the past month where Trump referred to himself as a lion.

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Also would explain his pardon of Bannon-this seems like his wheelhouse.
 
it really really triggers me that these assholes have co-opted the word Patriot. But I already hate the NE Patriots, so fuck that word.
 
It is a genius grift. Trump can make hundreds of millions running a third party. He'll just use PAC donations to pay for contracted work from his own businesses.

And it doesn't even bother me. The idiots that follow him deserve to be bilked.
 
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