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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
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    The brits set it on fire but I take your point

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    The Senate has never been particularly sacred. Sanctimonious, perhaps. It has always been an anti-democratic institution designed to protect the interests of political minorities. There is some value in that concept, but the design of the Senate was a major contributor in perpetuating slavery and Jim Crow, to name just two major examples, long before the modern filibuster was invented.

    I think Manchin is on the right track. If the political minority really feels like an unjust law is being rammed through by the majority, they can stand up and talk about it as long as they can maintain the 41 votes. We'll see how much party discipline Mitch is able to hold in that scenario. I think he will find that some purple state senators are not going to be too eager to support filibusters that cut against the wishes of large majorities of their constituencies.

    The trick is for the Dems to go big on important legislation, while not overreaching, and while maintaining their own effective PR on the bills. It's easier for Pubs to rail on about "government overreach" when Dems put up giant omnibus bills that are stuffed with tangential wish list items. Better to go with easy to understand legislation and voting rights is the best current example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    The brits set it on fire but I take your point
    But they could still pass bills at the local tavern....

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    Level of effort required to create and maintain a filibuster is greatly below that required to break it. Particularly with the elimination of the need to keep talking.

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    The burden should be on the opposition to maintain 2/5 of the body who are unwilling to vote on a bill.

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    Agree that its a waste of time. The GQP is largely acting in bad faith so they can claim they tried. With i had faith the electorate would see through this act.

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    Smart move by Biden.
    Biden taps Gayle Manchin as co-chair of Appalachian Regional Commission

    https://www.axios.com/biden-manchin-...33c05ca65.html

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    Manchin says there is ‘no circumstance’ where he would vote to get rid of or ‘weaken’ the filibuster in blow to Biden agenda


    Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin III said Wednesday that under no circumstances would he vote to eliminate or weaken the legislative filibuster in his most definitive statement yet on the topic, dealing a blow to Democrats’ hopes of pushing major aspects of President Biden’s agenda through Congress.

    The West Virginia senator also suggested in an op-ed published in The Washington Post that he would be opposed to using the budget reconciliation process, under which certain legislation requires only a majority vote, again to circumvent the filibuster, an avenue Senate Democrats have considered for passing Biden’s ambitious infrastructure package.

    “There is no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster,” Manchin wrote. “The time has come to end these political games, and to usher a new era of bipartisanship where we find common ground on the major policy debates facing our nation.”...

    Actual Manchin piece here: Opinion: Joe Manchin: I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster


    Sooo....what’s he going to do to get some Republican cooperation for needed and important shit....?


    Not a damn thing, because they aren’t capable of reasonable cooperation or decent governing.
    I love mankind...it’s people I can’t stand!!

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    The Filibuster - Kill It for the Good of Democracy

    He seems really naive but it’s impossible to be that naive. Republicans have no real policy aims except tax cuts and judges and staying in power. There’s no room for compromise there.

    He’s arguing that unless 20% of people who have no interest in working with Democrats sign on, he can’t do what he wants to do.

    Schumer needs to tell him to go find those 10 votes and come back when he’s got them.
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    Manchin better pray Dems don't add seats in 22. If they do and he's not needed, he's done with having any power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Manchin better pray Dems don't add seats in 22. If they do and he's not needed, he's done with having any power.
    Biden can't even swamp right...

    https://apnews.com/article/joe-manch...b60e756124010c

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