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WakeBored said:
Yeah but worse than Inception and Interstellar, for me at least.
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I honestly think Inception is the worst thing to happen to his career from an artistic standpoint. It was a fine movie, but fuck, it enabled him to make faux-intellectual nonsense for the next decade-plus. My favorite Nolan film is Insomnia, though, so maybe I'm in the minority. I think he can be a really good director when he has a bit more of a narrow focus and tighter storytelling.
 
RedSoxFaithful said:
I honestly think Inception is the worst thing to happen to his career from an artistic standpoint. It was a fine movie, but fuck, it enabled him to make faux-intellectual nonsense for the next decade-plus. My favorite Nolan film is Insomnia, though, so maybe I'm in the minority. I think he can be a really good director when he has a bit more of a narrow focus and tighter storytelling.
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I’d be interested to have a more in-depth conversation about what you mean by “pseudo-intellectual”. It seems the most common complaints about Nolan’s sci-fi films is that they’re convoluted and intentionally inscrutable.

I think a lot of the frustration with Nolan is that his storytelling is in-between styles. 1 typical narrative style is to describe a plot to the audience as it happens, so that by the end of the film everything you saw was explained to you. Another narrative style is to give the audience an experience that’s described, but never explained. Sort of the difference between traditional and abstract art. I think Nolan tends to ride the line between both these styles, where he explains, but not always thoroughly and never completely.
 
RJKarl said:
Let's address Clapton and Harrison first. Harrison attending the wedding of Pattie and Clapton showed it was a shitty thing to do Harrison and Clapton were lifelong friends until George's death.

There is no way around what Clapton said was disgusting and racist. That's what it was forty-five years ago. He was a deep, deep heroin for most of the 70s. For decades since then, Clapton helped a long list of black and minority musicians. He has set up clinics in the Caribbean and other charity endeavors for minorities.

I've met a few people (minorities) who have played with Clapton over the past few decades and they have nothing but positive things to say about him. A couple of them would never play with anyone they thought was the guy who said those things nearly half a century ago. They don't need the money or the gigs.

It was a despicable thing to say, but his actions since then shows that's not who became or is today.
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Meh, Clapton wasn’t even that good of a guitarist.
 
birdman said:
Meh, Clapton wasn’t even that good of a guitarist.
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Hendrix was the greatest guitarist of all time by a wide margin. Clapton was the second best by lot. I'd put Duane Allman third.

Gary Clark, Jr. is moving up the charts.
 
YoungBuck95 said:
I’m shocked at how much underwear it sounds like you have. How often do you do laundry? My laundry days are generally driven by how much clean underwear I’ve got. I got enough shirts to make it through an apocalypse, but I’ll defs be needing to wash socks & underwear
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When I was at Wake my dad took a new job as an exec at a textile company that made underwear. I had so much underwear that I never did laundry at school - as in literally never. I did go home every few weeks so got it done then.
 
Yeah seems like Eric Clapton really got his shit together:

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The downside of these discussions is I’m supposed to hate Clapton but I’ve got “Layla” stuck in my head.
 
TenaciousKory said:
As someone who plays, this.
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As someone who has been around music basically my entire life, he is. But don't listen to me, here are the voters from Rolling Stone:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-guitarists-153675/

"THE VOTERS: Trey Anastasio, Dan Auerbach (The Black Keys), Brian Bell (Weezer), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple), Carl Broemel (My Morning Jacket), James Burton, Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains), Gary Clark Jr., Billy Corgan, Steve Cropper, Dave Davies (The Kinks), Anthony DeCurtis (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Tom DeLonge (Blink-182), Rick Derringer, Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Elliot Easton (The Cars), Melissa Etheridge, Don Felder (The Eagles), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), Peter Guralnick (Author), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. (The Strokes), Warren Haynes (The Allman Brothers Band), Brian Hiatt (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), David Hidalgo (Los Lobos), Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Lenny Kravitz, Robby Krieger (The Doors), Jon Landau (Manager), Alex Lifeson (Rush), Nils Lofgren (The E Street Band), Mick Mars (Mötley Crüe), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.), Brian May, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Roger McGuinn (The Byrds), Scotty Moore, Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth), Tom Morello, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Brendan O’Brien (Producer), Joe Perry, Vernon Reid (Living Colour), Robbie Robertson, Rich Robinson (The Black Crowes), Carlos Santana, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Marnie Stern, Stephen Stills, Andy Summers, Mick Taylor, Susan Tedeschi, Vieux Farka Touré, Derek Trucks, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson (Heart)"

https://www.guitarworld.com/features/the-100-greatest-guitarists-of-all-time

He's only #5 there. Of course, I love Brian May, but he's not better than Hendrix.

There are many more professional ratings. I don't I've ever seen one without Clapton listed. But Kory knows more about playing the guitar than Slash, Eddie Van Halen, Gary Clark, Jr., Melissa Etheridge, Kenny Wayne Shepherd and so many more.
 
RJKarl said:
Hendrix was the greatest guitarist of all time by a wide margin. Clapton was the second best by lot. I'd put Duane Allman third.

Gary Clark, Jr. is moving up the charts.
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I just don’t see it, he wrote a couple of good songs I guess, but he’s not great.
 
Clapton did a lot more than a couple of songs. He helped create a lot of what players use today and into the future. All the greats look up to his playing.
 
birdman said:
I just don’t see it, he wrote a couple of good songs I guess, but he’s not great.
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Yeah, I like Promises but I’ve always thought Clapton was crazy overrated. I really only dig the end of Layla and I’m 100 percent sure that’s because of Goodfellas.


Yeah, I have formed my opinion. Clapton kinda sucks.
 
mako1331 said:
Yeah, I like Promises but I’ve always thought Clapton was crazy overrated. I really only dig the end of Layla and I’m 100 percent sure that’s because of Goodfellas.


Yeah, I have formed my opinion. Clapton kinda sucks.
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The acoustic version of Layla from MTV unplugged was better. That’s the song the wrote about Harrison’s wife while she and Harrison were still married. Clapton’s greatest contribution to guitar technique was overusing the wahwah pedal when he played with Cream, that’s about it.
 
The best part of the Derek and the Dominos album is Duane Allman. The jams from the box set are awesome. Their live album is p good too, but Duane isn’t part of those.

Speaking of Layla, watched Goodfellas for the first time last night. Should I watch Casino next?
 
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Whether you like Clapton's songs or not, it is indisputable that he's a guitar god.

A perfect example of this for me is Zeppelin. I saw them once and have heard them for almost fifty years, but I don't particularly like their music. However, there's no doubt that Jimmy Page is an all time great.
 
RJKarl said:
Whether you like Clapton's songs or not, it is indisputable that he's a guitar god.
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But I am here disputing it. I don't think he was especially creative, or fast, or skilled at playing the guitar. Jimi Hendrix wildly expanded the boundaries of playing a guitar, Jimmy Page basically created an entire new genera of rock music, Duane Allman is the definition of slide guitar in rock and roll, Vahalen redefined guitar soloing for about 15 years...Clapton used a lot of wahwah and he wrote a few good hooks. I just don't see godlyness or greatness.
 
BarcaDeac said:
The best part of the Derek and the Dominos album is Duane Allman. The jams from the box set are awesome. Their live album is p good too, but Duane isn’t part of those.

Speaking of Layla, watched Goodfellas for the first time last night. Should I watch Casino next?
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Absolutely, you mudderfucker, you.
 
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