Progressives are again demonstrating that they are a bunch of whiny crybabies. And it is usually people who would have no idea how to actually get anything done, but their faux outrage plays well on twitter.
Progressives are again demonstrating that they are a bunch of whiny crybabies. And it is usually people who would have no idea how to actually get anything done, but their faux outrage plays well on twitter.
Progressives are again demonstrating that they are a bunch of whiny crybabies. And it is usually people who would have no idea how to actually get anything done, but their faux outrage plays well on twitter.
Dude this act is wearing pretty thin. When you find yourself joining up with rj you should probably re-evaluate things.
not sure where this is coming from, but ok
From reading the Twitter post you posted?not sure where this is coming from, but ok
I was referring more to you calling her a crybaby. I just don't understand the hostility.
the president plays no role in seeing that his agenda is carried through? he doesn't hold majority/minority leaders (and through them, whips) accountable? and is in turn accountable for their successes/failures?
I find alot of things that I see posted on twitter ridiculous. I wasn't aware that I had to be so concerned about offending Bree Newsome's sensibilities.
The president can attempt to apply leverage, but with 50 votes the leadership in the senate is in a very precarious situation outside of this vote, and the person you would be applying pressure to won in a huge conservative state, and the people who are demanding this pressure have put forward a candidate that lost to him by 40 plus in their last primary and 40 plus in the most recent senate election. What real leverage do they have over Manchin to apply?
But some on the left want to act like since the Dems have 50 that they should be getting their complete progressive wish list of policies including the ones that Biden didn't even support. These are the same people who would be blaming Biden even if McConnell was the majority leader in the Senate, because EVERYTHING is the fault of establishment Democrats.
Not sure. It's not my job to whip votes. At this point we might ask how anything in Washington gets accomplished since your post here seems to foreground the radical differences and desires each politician brings to the table and the difficulty in getting them to forgo their values temporarily (whether it be direct leverage or persuasion) for passing legislation.
But the point of the thread is accountability, and like I just posted it seems we're in danger of taking one extreme and downplaying the other in service of our own agenda when the reality is probably more complex than that. We can't ignore Manchin being a stick in the mud, but we can't ignore Biden's inaugural planting its flag in the trope of unity either.
the president plays no role in seeing that his agenda is carried through? he doesn't hold majority/minority leaders (and through them, whips) accountable? and is in turn accountable for their successes/failures?
Yeah between 2008 and 2020 we've had a bunch of conservative judges, attempts to repeal progressive movements in health care, and tax cuts. And I would put it out there that the change in viewpoint of the electorate are because of a lot of other factors than progressive demanding, threatening, and generally helping republicans get elected.That seems like a pretty typical form of political agonism to me. Every party is going to have factions that demand the party move in another direction and sometimes they are even ravenous about it too!
Sometimes (read: almost every time) the party shifts because of that action (diff. '08 Dems and '20 Dems) are stark. What is the difference between looking at that agonism scornfully in 2008 and looking at it scornfully in 2020?