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WFU Hoops: Roster Construction - +LaRavia/Taylor/Walton/Monsanto/Williams/Sy/Marsh

of course a big is the nuber#1 need. everyone knows it. people keep saying it so i made a silly joke.
 
Swider says he wants to commit soon and sounds like Syracuse will be where he ends up.
 
 
Keep in mind that Swider played in 25 games averaged almost 20 minutes a game, and shot 12 free throws on the season. That is not a misprint. 12. He also only shot 28 two point shots all year (one a game). By way of comparison, Ish Massoud, who doesn't draw many fouls or take the ball to the basket and Ish played roughly the same number of minutes as Swider. Massoud shot 41 free throws and took three times as many twos. Swider is the better 3 point shooter (40% to 34%), but it looks like Swider is even more one dimensional than Massoud.
 
Pilchard said:
Keep in mind that Swider played in 25 games averaged almost 20 minutes a game, and shot 12 free throws on the season. That is not a misprint. 12. He also only shot 28 two point shots all year (one a game). By way of comparison, Ish Massoud, who doesn't draw many fouls or take the ball to the basket and Ish played roughly the same number of minutes as Swider. Massoud shot 41 free throws and took three times as many twos. Swider is the better 3 point shooter (40% to 34%), but it looks like Swider is even more one dimensional than Massoud.
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So that sounds more like Jonah Antonio 2.0.
 
Pilchard said:
Keep in mind that Swider played in 25 games averaged almost 20 minutes a game, and shot 12 free throws on the season. That is not a misprint. 12. He also only shot 28 two point shots all year (one a game). By way of comparison, Ish Massoud, who doesn't draw many fouls or take the ball to the basket and Ish played roughly the same number of minutes as Swider. Massoud shot 41 free throws and took three times as many twos. Swider is the better 3 point shooter (40% to 34%), but it looks like Swider is even more one dimensional than Massoud.
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Feels like a blind stats take. Just watch some of Swider's tape and it's laughable to portray him as more one-dimensional than Massoud. Solid defender (even statistically), more dunks in one game than Massoud's had his entire career, much better handle, far better passer. It's hard to quantify the exact statistical impact a high-ceiling player on a great team serving as a role-player has versus what a hugely flawed player does on a horrible team. Check in on both players in a year or two, they won't be in the same tier.
 
Pilchard said:
Keep in mind that Swider played in 25 games averaged almost 20 minutes a game, and shot 12 free throws on the season. That is not a misprint. 12. He also only shot 28 two point shots all year (one a game). By way of comparison, Ish Massoud, who doesn't draw many fouls or take the ball to the basket and Ish played roughly the same number of minutes as Swider. Massoud shot 41 free throws and took three times as many twos. Swider is the better 3 point shooter (40% to 34%), but it looks like Swider is even more one dimensional than Massoud.
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For a role player, I don't think "number of dimensions" is particularly important. Swider is one dimensional, but also appears to be a good player (supported by advanced metrics). I think Massoud would have been far more effective if he had taken fewer twos (probably resulting in fewer free throws) and drastically reduced his turnover rate.
 
DCDeac said:
Feels like a blind stats take. Just watch some of Swider's tape and it's laughable to portray him as more one-dimensional than Massoud. Solid defender (even statistically), more dunks in one game than Massoud's had his entire career, much better handle, far better passer. It's hard to quantify the exact statistical impact a high-ceiling player on a great team serving as a role-player has versus what a hugely flawed player does on a horrible team. Check in on both players in a year or two, they won't be in the same tier.
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Agree that Swider is an upgrade over Massoud. He is a better shooter (which really is the key attribute), and while defense is harder to quantify, Swider has got to be the superior defender. That said, its "laughable" to base the assessment on Swider based on his mix tape and ignore the glaring stats. Swider has several fast-break dunks. Great. He shot TWELVE free throws in 25 games, and at least a couple of those FTs came when Nova was running clock and the opponent had to foul. That's not a blind stats take. Swider's FT and 2 PT field goal numbers scream that this is a player that doesn't like contact and won't drive in traffic. That is fine. If Swider was Jerimiah Robinson-Earl, he wouldn't be in the transfer portal. Simply pointed out what WF would be getting with Swider, a good catch and shoot big, who will also dunk when not contested on a fast-break. WF has a need for him.
 
Pilchard said:
Agree that Swider is an upgrade over Massoud. He is a better shooter (which really is the key attribute), and while defense is harder to quantify, Swider has got to be the superior defender. That said, its "laughable" to base the assessment on Swider based on his mix tape and ignore the glaring stats. Swider has several fast-break dunks. Great. He shot TWELVE free throws in 25 games, and at least a couple of those FTs came when Nova was running clock and the opponent had to foul. That's not a blind stats take. Swider's FT and 2 PT field goal numbers scream that this is a player that doesn't like contact and won't drive in traffic. That is fine. If Swider was Jerimiah Robinson-Earl, he wouldn't be in the transfer portal. Simply pointed out what WF would be getting with Swider, a good catch and shoot big, who will also dunk when not contested on a fast-break. WF has a need for him.
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Fair enough, I'm just saying his role matters. If you compare their freshman years Massoud and Swider had basically identical minute/foul ratios. As sophomores they had identical 2 to 3 point attempt ratios. Stick Swider on last year's Wake team and ask him to play the 4 and I have zero doubt he would not have been as 1-dimensional as Massoud. Also disagree that his dunks were on uncontested fast breaks - I get that they are highlights but he has several blow by drives, some reverses on finishes, and some solid dunks with defenders coming at him. His role was a bench guy who shoots 3's. He also had more offensive boards as a sophomore than Massoud had in his career at Wake.

The bottom line is Swider isn't just a better shooter than Massoud, he's better at everything than Massoud. And if you stick him on a shit team, he'd do everything better than Massoud did last year.
 
FWIW, Swider is also unlikely to select WF; so, these arguments will remain hypothetical.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
Pitt transfer Toney committed to Arkansas.
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This was expected and I'm cool with it. Feel like Jarron Coleman is a huge target for us at this point in order to get a talented guard/wing with some experience with Toney off the board.

Toney had some character questions anyway. Bring on Coleman Forbes.
 
 
Time to resurrect the LOL Illinois thread.

They have won as many titles as we have since we started it, so hey, fuck them, right?
 
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