• Welcome to OGBoards 10.0, keep in mind that we will be making LOTS of changes to smooth out the experience here and make it as close as possible functionally to the old software, but feel free to drop suggestions or requests in the Tech Support subforum!

Tourney Time: WF v. ND - Tuesday 7 pm ACCN

Pilchard

Well-known member
Joined
May 3, 2011
Messages
17,176
Reaction score
6,442
College basketball fans wait all year for March. Tourney time! Championship Week. Can you feel the excitement? Not so much for the Deacon faithful.

Recent WF ACC Tourney History

For WF fans, in recent years, March Madness starts (and always ends) with the ACC Tournament. Alas, for the Deacon faithful, since Skip Prosser's untimely passing in 2007, the ACC Tournament means an early play-in game and a quick exit. Yes, WF has had some terrible teams under Dino (not so much under Dino, but his 0-3 ACC tournament record as a favorite in each game was just foreshadowing of future Deacon misery), Buzz and DM; even so WF's 2-13 ACC Tournament record under those three coaches is particularly nauseating when considering that all of those 13 ACC Tourney losses have come in an opening round game against other teams who have similarly horrible (or even worse) seasons than our Deacs. It really is hard to be that bad, but WF has essentially gone 2-13 against the bottom of the conference barrel. Even after weak regular seasons, our Deacs find a way to play below expectation every year in the conference tourney. WF's pathetic March Tournament record has left no doubt that WF is truly the worst of the worst. So, we have that going for us....

Consider that from March 2007 to date (we have had 4 Presidents during this time; so, that's two new Presidents per every WF ACC tournament win), WF's TWO (as in the number less than three) ACC tournament wins have come against a 15-17 (#96) Notre Dame team in 2014 (Buzz's last win as a WF coach), and a victory over a 9-23 (#173) BC (one of the worst teams in ACC history) in 2017. That's the list.

Think about it... over the last 14 seasons, the high point for WF's basketball in ACC Tournament action was the Deacs's March 12, 2014 win over 11th place Notre Dame on play-in Wednesday (the ACC Tournament started a day later that year). Wow, that was fun; do you remember the game? I don't, except being slightly annoyed that it extended the Buzz's run by a day. Just to ensure that WF fans faced an immediate buzz-kill (get it?), after the ND win, a mediocre Pitt team annihilated the Deacs 84-55 the next day. Woo hoo!

For those that have cleansed their memory of the DM era, last year, WF opened the abbreviated ACC Tournament (yes, COVID ended the tournament almost before it started, but WF still managed to promptly exit) by losing to a last place Pitt team that entered the ACC Tournament on a seven game losing streak. The best news that WF fans have had in March is that the ACC Tournament ended the tenure of some recent horrible coaching hires. With that stellar history behind us, here is a preview of ND.

A link to detailed of ND's season and personnel can be found here: https://www.ogboards.com/forums/showthread.php/32835-WF-at-the-Irish-EARLY-START-Tuesday-5-pm-ACCN from WF's February 2nd game against ND.

Irish season update: After dominating WF on February 2, ND went on mini-run losing at the buzzer at GT, beating Duke on the road and Miami at home. At that point, ND had moved up to #57 on the KP ratings and some claimed that Irish was on the verge of the bubble. In the Irish's next game, they held a 20 point 2nd half lead at Cuse, but then, the collapse. Cuse went on 30-5 run, and the Irish season went into the tank. The low point, was a 94-90 loss to a bad BC team with 5 scholarship players; followed by, a no-show double digit home loss to NC State. ND wrapped up the regular season with an inexplicable 10 point win over FSU. in that game, ND only played 7 players, but 5 scored in double figures. PG Prentiss Hubb led the Irish with 22 points and 5 assists.

Analytics: Simply put: ND is a decent offensive team, and poor defensive team. Offensively, ND doesn't commit TOs (1st in the ACC in offensive TO%), and they can shoot (4th in the ACC in effective FG%, 5th in 3 PT%, 2nd in 2 PT%). That said, ND doesn't offensive rebound (last in the ACC), and they don't draw fouls (12th in the ACC in FTA per FGA). Defensively, ND is soft. They are last in the ACC in forcing TOs, last in steals and because their defense is passive, ND doesn't foul (1st in defensive FTA per FGA). ND has no bench (#336 nationally in bench minutes, but they are tall and experienced (#13th nationally in height and #45 in experience).

Bottom line: KP projects a 76-67 ND win in 67 possessions. Would like to build a case on how WF wins this game, but our Deacs are in free fall, and we haven't hit bottom. WF's current run: losses by 24, 18, 21, 38, 13 and 12. Not one of those double digit losses came against a dominating opponent (no WF opponent rated higher than #31 during that stretch). So, WF has been non-competitive six times in a row against middling teams. Putrid. WF plays another middling team in #68 ND tomorrow. While ND is fully capable of losing to a crappy team (see the recent loss to BC), our Deacs have been unable to hang against any team in any situation. Looking like another WF season ends with a Tuesday whimper... At least, we are used to it.
 
Last edited:
The Pitt --> Clemson road that I believe we had going into the weekend looked a bit nicer than Notre Dame --> UNC.

We're one-and-done here, I'm afraid.
 
Excellent recap of a forgettable era. I’m surprised we haven’t been kicked out of the conference. Then again every conference needs a team to kick around. Maybe we’ve met our quota there? Boston College, you want to take the baton?
 
2007 was the Harvey Hale OT game vs Georgia Tech. We got hammered the next day in the quarterfinals by longtime ACC hoop power Virginia Tech

WF’s last appearance in the ACCT Semis was 2006. How old was Carter Whitt in spring 2006? 3?
 
Let's get it over with and move on to the "hot stove" portion of the season.

ND in a rout.
 
Excellent recap of a forgettable era. I’m surprised we haven’t been kicked out of the conference. Then again every conference needs a team to kick around. Maybe we’ve met our quota there? Boston College, you want to take the baton?

The past 10 years of this program have reeked of instability. Too many changes at the top to build on anything. I think Coach Forbes will eventually get the program back on the right track, but it won't happen overnight. Be prepared for another lackluster (nowhere near as bad as this year) season next year. We really start to compete in year 3 as long as we keep building in the right direction.
 
2007 was the Harvey Hale OT game vs Georgia Tech. We got hammered the next day in the quarterfinals by longtime ACC hoop power Virginia Tech

WF’s last appearance in the ACCT Semis was 2006. How old was Carter Whitt in spring 2006? 3?

And we were the lowest seeded team that year in 2006 as well lol
 
And we were the lowest seeded team that year in 2006 as well lol

Yes. WF last won this thing 25 years ago. Since then, WF has finished in the top half of the ACC and won one ACCT game in the same season...4 times. Zero times since 2003.

(Includes one season finishing 5th in a 9-team league)
 
Cory Alexander tomorrow. It's only the third time this season he's called a Wake game -- feels like there were a lot more the previous two seasons. But he called the WF-ND game in South Bend and obviously the GT game on Friday night.

Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Our season has become the poor dog that was just hit by a car and isn't dead yet, but only a matter of time. Put it out of it's misery.
 
Please make it stop. We should get kicked out of the conference.
 
By comparison, Jen Hoover has gone 9-9 in the ACC Tournament with perhaps the worst program at Wake Forest. Two wins over 13 years is unacceptable.
 
Wake is currently #170 on KenPom. Manning's worst season was 174. I'd really like for this season to not fall below anything that buffoon did.
 
By comparison, Jen Hoover has gone 9-9 in the ACC Tournament with perhaps the worst program at Wake Forest. Two wins over 13 years is unacceptable.

the two wins were both on Tuesday right? ND and BC?

So in reality, zero wins since 2007.
 
the two wins were both on Tuesday right? ND and BC?

So in reality, zero wins since 2007.

The win over ND was on a Wednesday, but the tournament started a day later; so that 2014 tourney win cam in the ACC opening round. So, yes, WF has not been seeded into or won a game to get WF in the ACCT Quarterfinals in 13 years. I doubt there is another Power Conference team (and maybe no other team regardless of conference) that has failed to make their conference's quarterfinal round since since 2007; it's really not a very high bar to set. Even the most underfunded and poorly coached programs stumble into a surprise conference tourney win or two at least a couple of times in a decade. Not the Deacs.
 
The win over ND was on a Wednesday, but the tournament started a day later; so that 2014 tourney win cam in the ACC opening round. So, yes, WF has not been seeded into or won a game to get WF in the ACCT Quarterfinals in 13 years. I doubt there is another Power Conference team (and maybe no other team regardless of conference) that has failed to make their conference's quarterfinal round since since 2007; it's really not a very high bar to set. Even the most underfunded and poorly coached programs stumble into a surprise conference tourney win or two at least a couple of times in a decade. Not the Deacs.

not exactly - WF had a bye into the 2009 quarterfinals as the #8 team in the country before Maryland kicked our teeth in by double digits (setting us up for the Cleveland steamer double digit loss)

players from that team that had two double-digit shock losses to end the season have made $270 million in the NBA so far
 
Wake is currently #170 on KenPom. Manning's worst season was 174. I'd really like for this season to not fall below anything that buffoon did.

Obviously that needs to improve but I’d don’t think the Covid impact can be overstated given the loss of practice time, the loss of players, and the loss of warm up games to let the team gel.
 
Forbes and the boys overachieved this year. Take the moral victory and build on it for next year.
 
Back
Top