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Biden to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by 9/11/21

There's always gonna be a super power, it might as well be us.
 
stugotz said:
There's always gonna be a super power, it might as well be us.
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The US can be a super power without having military everywhere. Be a super power based on economic power and exporting culture around the world. Use music, movies, and TV shows. Netflix and chill with the rest of the world.
 
where is China doing big military interventions in the name of nation-building?
 
PhDeac said:
The US can be a super power without having military everywhere. Be a super power based on economic power and exporting culture around the world. Use music, movies, and TV shows. Netflix and chill with the rest of the world.
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You've played a lot of Civilization.
 
PhDeac said:
The US can be a super power without having military everywhere. Be a super power based on economic power and exporting culture around the world. Use music, movies, and TV shows. Netflix and chill with the rest of the world.
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This theory of soft power is actually what our own state department has recommended since the Cold War to reduce interventionism around the world. That and free trade, basically.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
where is China doing big military interventions in the name of nation-building?
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They're going the payday lender route to acquire the nations assets route. Like Trump said, we shoulda just taken the oil.
 
Can a President give a speech at the time he said he would? CNN is having Joni Ernst on while we wait for Biden-ugh.
 
stugotz said:
They're going the payday lender route to acquire the nations assets route. Like Trump said, we shoulda just taken the oil.
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Yeah that’s pretty much their African operation, build a bunch of infrastructure, get an IOU while owning the infrastructure, and therefore assert power over said country. The port being built in Tanzania is a good example, for awhile Tanzania saw through the plan but recently seemed to accept the conditions just to get a port built.
 
MichDeac25 said:
You've played a lot of Civilization.
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Never played it. I've only heard about it.

TownieDeac said:
This theory of soft power is actually what our own state department has recommended since the Cold War to reduce interventionism around the world. That and free trade, basically.
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What people like about the US.

deactherunner said:
Can a President give a speech at the time he said he would? CNN is having Joni Ernst on while we wait for Biden-ugh.
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No idea why they said 3:45 and show up at 4:00. Just weird. At least I had to go the bathroom and could fast forward through Ernst.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
do you think the United States had/has any role in creating the conditions that lead to people looking to leave?
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Any role? Of course. Countries are interconnected, so the actions of one will impact others. We have an out-sized impact because of our economic and social (one might even say, moral) leadership. For all of the concern about American involvement overseas, we've built places into world economic players. South Korea. Postwar Europe. Japan. Taking further into the developing world, our contributions to the global economy (exported manufacturing jobs) have helped bring other economies opportunities that they'd never have gotten on their own. Is the Middle East better off economically without the United States? Does anyone think that? What those countries have chosen to do with that wealth and opportunity varies wildly from state to state. I don't think it is correct to deny those countries agency in their outcomes.
 
So we're going with "throw the Afghan military under the bus" route.
 
WokeandBroke said:
Any role? Of course. Countries are interconnected, so the actions of one will impact others. We have an out-sized impact because of our economic and social (one might even say, moral) leadership. For all of the concern about American involvement overseas, we've built places into world economic players. South Korea. Postwar Europe. Japan. Taking further into the developing world, our contributions to the global economy (exported manufacturing jobs) have helped bring other economies opportunities that they'd never have gotten on their own. Is the Middle East better off economically without the United States? Does anyone think that? What those countries have chosen to do with that wealth and opportunity varies wildly from state to state. I don't think it is correct to deny those countries agency in their outcomes.
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Do you think the US military and foreign policy have/had any role in created the conditions that lead to people looking to leave?
 
Oof. At least he took *a little* responsibility, but he tossed some blame around.

Def a step up from 45, but that's a low bar.
 
clever speech to spend the bulk of it justifying the withdrawal in the first place

would have liked to hear more about the seeming lack of preparation in evacuating everyone who needed to be evacuated but *shrug* rhetoric baybee
 
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