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Do You Live In A Political Bubble?

A photo of Sarah Huckabee Sanders campaigning for Pete Snyder in his bid to be VA Governor. Notice his "accomplishments" listed on the sign. He's made woke liberals cry, he's broken the teacher's unions (those evil, wicked teachers need to be beaten!), and he backs (apparently all) of President Trump's policies. The sign also calls him a "Disruptor". Your Trumpite GOP, folks.

 
They are just about to emerge from the intoxication of Trump’s powers…:rolleyes:

The powers of successfully conning Republicans out of their integrity, honor, and minds.
 
PhDeac said:
Upgrade by answering something that isn't a yes/no question.

I don't answer answers posed as unrelated questions.

You need to do the basic things required to have a reasonable discussion. Use facts. Answer questions with researched facts, informed opinions, or at least a good faith answer. Even if you have a wrong answer, you're trying.

As far as the questions I posted here are the answers which you could have easily googled.

93% of protests were peaceful: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/de...violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/



Now I don't know your angle. You may be intentionally misrepresenting last summer. You could be purposefully using bad information. Or maybe you just believe everything you see in conservative media. I don't know. But the facts are out there.




Over 90% of charges against protesters have been dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/george-floyd-protesters-charges-citations-analysis
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[ignoreeverythingelse]So you’re saying there were violent and destructive “woke” riots. Gotcha![/ignoreeverythingelse]
 
WokeandBroke said:
Even in this echo chamber people can't seriously think this. Hyperbole is a tell.
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ok, then what are the good faith policy proposals other than cutting taxes and passing laws that make abortions difficult to get
 
Milhouse said:
ok, then what are the good faith policy proposals other than cutting taxes and passing laws that make abortions difficult to get
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Probably the easiest example is improving school choice for everyone, not just the people that can afford it (the current system). Education choice isn't just vouchers (many conservatives oppose vouchers), but funding and expanding charter schools (Free to all) should be an easy policy. Why not?
 
WokeandBroke said:
Probably the easiest example is improving school choice for everyone, not just the people that can afford it (the current system). Education choice isn't just vouchers (many conservatives oppose vouchers), but funding and expanding charter schools (Free to all) should be an easy policy. Why not?
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That hasn't happened yet?
 
WokeandBroke said:
Probably the easiest example is improving school choice for everyone, not just the people that can afford it (the current system). Education choice isn't just vouchers (many conservatives oppose vouchers), but funding and expanding charter schools (Free to all) should be an easy policy. Why not?
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Lol, this link claims that school choice as a set of policies has its roots in the 1950s and the first school choice voucher program was implemented in Minnesota in 1989.

https://excelined.org/2020/01/27/the-history-of-school-choice/

So your first go to example of good faith policy proposal from the Republican Party is from the 1980s, at least. Do you know what hyperbole means?
 
DeaconSig said:
That hasn't happened yet?
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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brow...e-on-charter-schools-to-benefit-all-students/

Democrats are divided on charter schools along racial lines. White Democratic voters are less likely to support charter schools than Black or Hispanic Democratic voters. House Democrats and Democratic presidential candidates propose to reduce or eliminate federal funding to charter schools through the Charter Schools Program (CSP), which could create a wedge issue in the Democratic Party.

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Throughout the Trump administration, charter schools have become an increasingly partisan policy issue. President Donald Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos advocate for more federal funding to charter schools. Support for charter schools among Democratic voters, specifically white Democratic voters, has dropped. From 2016 to 2018, white Democrats’ support for charter schools decreased from 43% to 27%. This is significantly lower than Black and Hispanic Democrats, with each group reporting 47% support of charter schools in 2018. In fact, there is a larger racial gap among Democratic primary voters. In 2018, 26% of white Democratic primary voters, 58% of Black Democratic primary voters, and 52% of Hispanic Democratic primary voters indicated support for charter schools. Most Black Democratic voters consider charter schools an important policy issue. In 2018, 65% of Black Democratic primary voters reported that expanding charter schools was an important priority.
 
WokeandBroke said:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brow...e-on-charter-schools-to-benefit-all-students/

Democrats are divided on charter schools along racial lines. White Democratic voters are less likely to support charter schools than Black or Hispanic Democratic voters. House Democrats and Democratic presidential candidates propose to reduce or eliminate federal funding to charter schools through the Charter Schools Program (CSP), which could create a wedge issue in the Democratic Party.

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Throughout the Trump administration, charter schools have become an increasingly partisan policy issue. President Donald Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos advocate for more federal funding to charter schools. Support for charter schools among Democratic voters, specifically white Democratic voters, has dropped. From 2016 to 2018, white Democrats’ support for charter schools decreased from 43% to 27%. This is significantly lower than Black and Hispanic Democrats, with each group reporting 47% support of charter schools in 2018. In fact, there is a larger racial gap among Democratic primary voters. In 2018, 26% of white Democratic primary voters, 58% of Black Democratic primary voters, and 52% of Hispanic Democratic primary voters indicated support for charter schools. Most Black Democratic voters consider charter schools an important policy issue. In 2018, 65% of Black Democratic primary voters reported that expanding charter schools was an important priority.
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So nationally, pubs had control of both chambers and the presidency and did nothing about it. NC 'pubs had a veto-proof majority and didn't solve the problem. Certainly appears to be an issue that 'pubs care about.
 
Well first thing with schools is making sure transgender athletes don't compete and to not teach Critical Race Theory. Again, policies of stopping things, not implementing things.
 
DeaconSig said:
So nationally, pubs had control of both chambers and the presidency and did nothing about it. NC 'pubs had a veto-proof majority and didn't solve the problem. Certainly appears to be an issue that 'pubs care about.
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In August 2011, NC Senate Bill 8 was approved, removing all limits on the number and enrollment increases of charter schools allowed in the state, lowering minimum enrollment numbers, and eliminating provisions that guard against schools being created to serve only specific subcategories of students (e.g. gifted students, students with disabilities, students of the same gender).

So it turns out they did something about it: they removed the cap over the objection of the Dems/NCAE. Speaking of, here is the position paper on Charters for the student's best friend at the NCAE. Try to read this without laughing: A lack of fiscal responsibility has resulted in the downfall of the majority of the state’s charters that have faced revocation; therefore, accountability in this area is of the utmost importance.

That's how you know they care: caps on growth, de-funding and demands for accountability. Is this the usual enthusiasm that you'd expect from a union of educators: caps, cuts and accountability! Sounds like their hearts might not be in it.
 
WokeandBroke said:
Probably the easiest example is improving school choice for everyone, not just the people that can afford it (the current system). Education choice isn't just vouchers (many conservatives oppose vouchers), but funding and expanding charter schools (Free to all) should be an easy policy. Why not?
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birdman said:
Lol, this link claims that school choice as a set of policies has its roots in the 1950s and the first school choice voucher program was implemented in Minnesota in 1989.

https://excelined.org/2020/01/27/the-history-of-school-choice/

So your first go to example of good faith policy proposal from the Republican Party is from the 1980s, at least. Do you know what hyperbole means?
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In a two line post, you managed to miss (since bolded for the bad-faith readers) the distinction between choice (generally) and vouchers (one form among many).

This the good-faith debate that my fellow conservatives are missing out on. ThEy MuSt Be So AfRaId!

Maybe the bubble isn't to keep the dissenting ideas out, but to keep you guys in.
 
Any comment on Lindsey Graham’s remarks?

Seems the party disagrees with your assessment. They’re still happily drinking.
 
WokeandBroke said:
In August 2011, NC Senate Bill 8 was approved, removing all limits on the number and enrollment increases of charter schools allowed in the state, lowering minimum enrollment numbers, and eliminating provisions that guard against schools being created to serve only specific subcategories of students (e.g. gifted students, students with disabilities, students of the same gender).

So it turns out they did something about it: they removed the cap over the objection of the Dems/NCAE. Speaking of, here is the position paper on Charters for the student's best friend at the NCAE. Try to read this without laughing: A lack of fiscal responsibility has resulted in the downfall of the majority of the state’s charters that have faced revocation; therefore, accountability in this area is of the utmost importance.

That's how you know they care: caps on growth, de-funding and demands for accountability. Is this the usual enthusiasm that you'd expect from a union of educators: caps, cuts and accountability! Sounds like their hearts might not be in it.
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So did the NC legislature solve the problem or not? You can't say its an issue that should be resolved by the current government and then also claim a prior legislature fixed the problem.
 
WokeandBroke said:
In a two line post, you managed to miss (since bolded for the bad-faith readers) the distinction between choice (generally) and vouchers (one form among many).

This the good-faith debate that my fellow conservatives are missing out on. ThEy MuSt Be So AfRaId!

Maybe the bubble isn't to keep the dissenting ideas out, but to keep you guys in.
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You’re the one focusing on vouchers, it’s just one mechanism for the whole movement. Read the whole history, “school choice” started In The 1950s, after Brown vs the Board of Ed. So it may be a good faith set of policy proposals but its not new, ie since the 1980s.
 
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