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Do You Live In A Political Bubble?

Liquid Karma said:
It's worth pointing out that the PTA at many public schools does exactly the same. Whitaker Elementary in Buena Vista doesn't have top notch tech because of public funding.
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Same with our public. There was a black tie affair that raised a lot of loot selling naming rights to the basketball court and parking space closest to the school. The amount of money was dizzying. The new leadership canceled it because of optics. She still got paid, though.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
decrease in students means decrease in funding, so it almost certainly doesn't mean smaller class sizes -- just fewer classes
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It only means less funding if people choose to leave. That outcome is not preordained.
 
The charter school issue has become more real for me this year. The programs for very gifted students in Guilford County Schools is lacking compared to what it was in Winston. The Academy at Lincoln is the lone option for HAG within GCS and it has middling reviews, so we are exploring charter options as well.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
decrease in students means decrease in funding, so it almost certainly doesn't mean smaller class sizes -- just fewer classes

as to competition, I won't speak too broadly as I do not know, but here in Chicago, charter schools do not have a mandate to educate some of the most challenging students and are much quicker to kick out challenging kids, so it's not exactly a fair competition in that respect

again, it all comes down to your values and priorities -- having the highest ceiling available to those well-off/savvy/lucky/thoughtful enough to pursue it or raise the floor for the masses -- perhaps it does not need to be so zero-sum, but the reality of the situation and how we choose to spend our resources as a society is that there is a hefty zero-sum component
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Sorry, it looks like you edited that so I didn't see the second part before I replied. As to the second part, let's say the school "loses" the competition for students. I still believe that the competition itself raises the floor (even when you finish second), versus a regime where there is no incentive to compete.
 
Liquid Karma said:
The charter school issue has become more real for me this year. The programs for very gifted students in Guilford County Schools is lacking compared to what it was in Winston. The Academy at Lincoln is the lone option for HAG within GCS and it has middling reviews, so we are exploring charter options as well.
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Keep in mind that charter schools don't have counties. If you like one over the border in Randolph (IDK) you have as much right to apply to it as someone who lives in Randleman.
 
WokeandBroke said:
Sorry, it looks like you edited that so I didn't see the second part before I replied. As to the second part, let's say the school "loses" the competition for students. I still believe that the competition itself raises the floor (even when you finish second), versus a regime where there is no incentive to compete.
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do you have any links to data on this -- the effect of charters on public schools?

because my intuition says charters siphon out the brightest and most well-supported kids from public schools


it's the tension of the micro-level decision of making the best choice for your child and the macro-level outcomes that transpire -- I don't blame any individual actor for choosing what they think is best for their kids, but I lament a system where there are kids left behind as a result

and this applies to myriad things outside education
 
WokeandBroke said:
I know this is a less satisfying answer than "subhuman trash"/"racism/White supremacy" but a lot of his appeal is how much you guys hate him. A lot of people voted for him to burn it down because they felt left behind. The establishment got mad when he tried to burn down the establishment (duh), but that's what a lot of his voters wanted because they thought the establishment screwed them over (hint: They are right; scoreboard). Those people weren't going to care about his abrupt/vulgar style because the whole point was an "F YOU." The more the better, I suspect.
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Sorry I'm a few pages behind, but goddamn this right here is a gem.

Left behind and screwed over by the establishment? Are you talking about the white working class voters in the rust belt who cycle after cycle have voted for Republicans who campaigned on doing absolutely nothing for them, and came through with that promise? The same people who pay through the nose for healthcare because Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Carlson got on TV every night for 40 years and called UHC socialism? Who call gov investment in infrastructure socialism or suddenly care about the debt? You taught them how to cut off their nose to spite their faces, it's exactly what you guys do to keep them coming back. Left behind? lol holy rat shit. The white working class voters decked out in $200 worth of MAGA shit with time on their hands to go to rallies about nothing but the entertainment of watching a lying asshole gin up their hatred of government and simultaneously complain that the gov isn't doing enough for them?

The dems have been proposing progressive (that mean progress forward, not the old way of doing shit) legislation constantly against the buzzsaw of conservative objection, and when given the choice these people over and over and over have chosen the candidates that promises to do nothing except block progress and try to make things like "like they used to be" despite market forces and tech development and economic shifts and demographic changes etc.

No way jhmd, these people chose to hold themselves back, nobody left them behind or screwed them over except their own political party. You let them down for your beloved tax breaks, upper middle class conservative. You left them behind in pursuit of a few more dollars for yourself, and created a perfect scapegoat in the dems with convenient wedge issues on abortion and guns and gays to drive it home. get that left us behind shit the fuck outta here
 
WokeandBroke said:
The school system is built for the students.
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Not according to teachers' unions and an ever larger growing number of teachers which has been well documented during the Covid pandemic.

What sucks the most is the kids who can least afford to be left behind are being left behind because libs & progressives continue to kowtow to the teachers union out of fear of losing their political support.
 
nah

the Dems definitely left behind the rust belt in favor of Wall Street decades ago

they're trying to reconcile with it now, but they definitely didn't care until it became an electoral problem for them
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
nah

the Dems definitely left behind the rust belt in favor of Wall Street decades ago

they're trying to reconcile with it now, but they definitely didn't care until it became an electoral problem for them
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this is true
 
How could they have helped them they couldnt win there

How did the republicans they elected into local, state, and fed positions help them?
 
When you can't win somewhere because they don't want you because of abortion or integrated schools or whatever, I don't see what you are supposed to do. The Southern Strategy set the table for Dems to be ineffective in the South and rust belt too.

I agree the dems have sucked the banking dick for many years, but I mean shit it isn't as if they had a great shot at doing much against the buzzsaw of conservative fear-mongering in those areas, thats my point.


educate me on how they should have broken through
 
the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for virtually 25 years -- 70s, 80s, and early 90s

during that time, they oversaw steady deregulation of finance, ramped up war on drugs and incarceration, death of unions, and so on

they were winning the rust belt states over and over

but even if that wasn't the case, you don't just write policies for the people that voted for you -- you try to better the lives of everyone, even Trump voters
 
WakeandBake said:
Sorry I'm a few pages behind, but goddamn this right here is a gem.

Left behind and screwed over by the establishment? Are you talking about the white working class voters in the rust belt who cycle after cycle have voted for Republicans who campaigned on doing absolutely nothing for them, and came through with that promise? The same people who pay through the nose for healthcare because Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Carlson got on TV every night for 40 years and called UHC socialism? Who call gov investment in infrastructure socialism or suddenly care about the debt? You taught them how to cut off their nose to spite their faces, it's exactly what you guys do to keep them coming back. Left behind? lol holy rat shit. The white working class voters decked out in $200 worth of MAGA shit with time on their hands to go to rallies about nothing but the entertainment of watching a lying asshole gin up their hatred of government and simultaneously complain that the gov isn't doing enough for them?

The dems have been proposing progressive (that mean progress forward, not the old way of doing shit) legislation constantly against the buzzsaw of conservative objection, and when given the choice these people over and over and over have chosen the candidates that promises to do nothing except block progress and try to make things like "like they used to be" despite market forces and tech development and economic shifts and demographic changes etc.

No way jhmd, these people chose to hold themselves back, nobody left them behind or screwed them over except their own political party. You let them down for your beloved tax breaks, upper middle class conservative. You left them behind in pursuit of a few more dollars for yourself, and created a perfect scapegoat in the dems with convenient wedge issues on abortion and guns and gays to drive it home. get that left us behind shit the fuck outta here
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Everything about this post is wrong, but the awesomeness of "holy rat shit" makes up for it and then some. Net positive for the O.G. W_keandB_ke
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for virtually 25 years -- 70s, 80s, and early 90s

during that time, they oversaw steady deregulation of finance, ramped up war on drugs and incarceration, death of unions, and so on

they were winning the rust belt states over and over

but even if that wasn't the case, you don't just write policies for the people that voted for you -- you try to better the lives of everyone, even Trump voters
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The dems drove these policies or acquiesced to conservatives and moderates to hold power? Where were the conservatives to save them?
 
WakeandBake said:
The dems drove these policies or acquiesced to conservatives and moderates to hold power? Where were the conservatives to save them?
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does the distinction even matter? either they were bad at their jobs, weak, or actually conservatives -- no matter how you slice it, the Democrats oversaw the decline of quality of life for a lot of people at the benefit of the rich, even moreso when you look at any metric of equality or equity

the results still remain while they were on watch, often with a veto-proof majority


and I don't even know what you mean by the last question
 
There was a D next to their names, but they won those elections by taking the conservative positions you laid out. The voters would have never elected progressive dems in those states, so as I said, they left themselves behind. Perhaps I should have used “liberal” or “progressive” instead of dem, but my point and yours aren’t opposing. Rust belt and southern voters left themselves behind by tethering themselves to conservative positions like the war on drugs, incarceration, union busting.

Are you saying the dems won those seats with progressive campaigns only to flip flop once in office?
 
my point is the Democrats suck and have sucked and laying it at the feet of the Republicans, despite the fact that they suck even worse, is revisionist history
 
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