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Do You Live In A Political Bubble?

Highland Deac said:
Farmers, most of whom voted for Trump, wouldn't seem to agree. Farm income in 2020 was the highest in seven years, and in terms of farm income 2020 was one of the 3 most profitable years in the last fifty for US agriculture. Farm income rose 43% in just one year. The problem? About 40% of that profit was solely due to vastly increased payments from the US government - payment rose to $46.5 billion from $22.4 billion in just one year. Using Republican rhetoric, that's socialism on an impressive scale, and US farmers apparently loved it. And it all came from Trump, as a way to keep farmers happy who were being hurt by his idiotic trade wars. And most of that government money goes to wealthier farmers in a relatively limited number of states - it's not evenly distributed. Most of Trump's base loves welfare and government handouts as long as they're the beneficiaries. Their problem is that sometimes people and groups they don't like also get government aid. And that's when it becomes a problem for them - not when they're the ones getting the goodies.

Link: https://www.cato.org/commentary/examining-americas-farm-subsidy-problem

Link: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
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I thought we were talking about why the 70M+ of your fellow Americans voted for Trump. I think the reason is because their interests were de-prioritized by national parties who were chasing marginal voters on the fringe and sold out their interests with lopsided trade deals that favored the wealthy and undercut the labor market in this country. I don't think 1/2 the country are one issue voters (with that issue being farm subsidies). Take that shit back to Farmersonly.com (that website has ideological heterogeneity and a posterhood that all perform valuables services and/or produce necessary goods; not this one).
 
WakeandBake said:
How you are registered and how you vote have little to do with each other, except in closed primary states like NC. I never wanted to be a member of any political party so I registered independent when I was 18 in NC and when I moved to IL I did the same.
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Cool story!! But once again you dodged the question.

As you never wanted to be a member of any political party, how many times did you vote for a non Democratic Party candidate since registering as an "independent" back in 1988?
 
lol I have voted for non democrats many times over the years. Hell, I voted for fucking Ross Perot. Jim Martin. I even voted for that shitbag Richard Burr one time. I don't give enough of a fuck about you to dodge your question silly man.

My reason for not wanting to be in a party had nothing to do with how I wanted to vote.

How much money have you and your daddy given to the GOP?
 
WokeandBroke said:
I thought we were talking about why the 70M+ of your fellow Americans voted for Trump. I think the reason is because their interests were de-prioritized by national parties who were chasing marginal voters on the fringe and sold out their interests with lopsided trade deals that favored the wealthy and undercut the labor market in this country. I don't think 1/2 the country are one issue voters (with that issue being farm subsidies). Take that shit back to Farmersonly.com (that website has ideological heterogeneity and a posterhood that all perform valuables services and/or produce necessary goods; not this one).
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LOL. You know, maybe conservatives ought to wonder why 81 million plus of their fellow Americans voted for Biden, but it's easier to pretend that those are mostly fraudulent or stolen votes. Even if you're right about all of those lopsided trade deals, it doesn't seem that starting a trade war that hurts millions of American farmers is really such a good idea, but as it's clear that you don't want discuss the fact that large segments of the GOP base are perfectly happy taking government subsidies and welfare while complaining about socialism, by all means keep bitching about how people here just don't understand Trumpites, the poor things.
 
Highland Deac said:
LOL. You know, maybe conservatives ought to wonder why 81 million plus of their fellow Americans voted for Biden, but it's easier to pretend that those are mostly fraudulent or stolen votes. Even if you're right about all of those lopsided trade deals, it doesn't seem that starting a trade war that hurts millions of American farmers is really such a good idea, but as it's clear that you don't want discuss the fact that large segments of the GOP base are perfectly happy taking government subsidies and welfare while complaining about socialism, by all means keep bitching about how people here just don't understand Trumpites, the poor things.
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I don't know who this post was directed to, since I haven't said most of this stuff nor do I believe these things that you must think I think. Not much to discuss here.
 
Hey jh looks like your party is getting ready to push out Cheney to tie its future to Trumpism. At what point will you think they’re too far gone to deserve to be in power?
 
06deacon said:
Hey jh looks like your party is getting ready to push out Cheney to tie its future to Trumpism. At what point will you think they’re too far gone to deserve to be in power?
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They aren't in power now. They will have to earn their way back to power before they can forfeit it (which is your question). Trumpism cost them the House, Senate and the White House. They lost that right last November, and they will have to earn it back. The more likely scenario is that they don't earn their way back but the Dems find a way to screw up on their own. See history.
 
republicans: "Don't screw this up Dems or we will be forced to double down on seditious liars with no agenda except cheerleading guns, god, and the Confederacy to replace you.

And by screw this up we mean not adopt our ideas about everything because we will not stand for your gay progressive socialist baby-killing gun-taking ideas!"
 
WakeandBake said:
republicans: "Don't screw this up Dems or we will be forced to double down on seditious liars with no agenda except cheerleading guns, god, and the Confederacy to replace you.

And by screw this up we mean not adopt our ideas about everything because we will not stand for your gay progressive socialist baby-killing gun-taking ideas!"
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If this was true, how do you all ever lose anything?
 
We haven't lost since you guys laid out this option. You just posted that Trumpism cost you WH, House, Senate. Are you drunk?
 
WokeandBroke said:
If this was true, how do you all ever lose anything?
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Who is "you all"??

Keep in mind WakeandBake is an 'independent' who once voted for Ross Perot and a 'pub in the late 80's and early 90's so he is definitely not a Democrat.

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WakeandBake said:
We haven't lost since you guys laid out this option. You just posted that Trumpism cost you WH, House, Senate. Are you drunk?
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Maybe I just have a longer perspective (measured in years, not months, for instance).
 
WokeandBroke said:
They aren't in power now. They will have to earn their way back to power before they can forfeit it (which is your question). Trumpism cost them the House, Senate and the White House. They lost that right last November, and they will have to earn it back. The more likely scenario is that they don't earn their way back but the Dems find a way to screw up on their own. See history.
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Sure at the national level they don’t, although they’re uniting against pretty much everything Biden and the Dems want to do. See: McConnell.

At the state levels though, they have plenty of power and they’re arguably even crazier for Trumpism there. I assume you’re ok with that?
 
06deacon said:
Sure at the national level they don’t, although they’re uniting against pretty much everything Biden and the Dems want to do. See: McConnell.

At the state levels though, they have plenty of power and they’re arguably even crazier for Trumpism there. I assume you’re ok with that?
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Take North Carolina. What's one example of this phenomenon?
 
BillBrasky said:
The NC GOP censured Burr for voting to impeach Trump two months ago.

Come on dude. Be better. Its not even a challenge anymore. Y'all be so dumb.
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The NC GOP is a political organization. It has no sovereign power to take away (the thing we're discussing).
 
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