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Banning Critical Race Theory

WakeBored said:
If so, that's because fear-mongers like you whip them into a frenzy by telling them the law prohibits things it doesn't.
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yeah, 11 hour school board meetings on this topic are because of frenzy whipped liberals
 
ImTheCaptain said:
yeah, 11 hour school board meetings on this topic are because of frenzy whipped liberals
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No, those are because teachers are doing things like making White (or in the case of the Nevada school I posted about, mixed-race) students "confess their privilege"
 
WakeBored said:
No, those are because teachers are doing things like making White (or in the case of the Nevada school I posted about, mixed-race) students "confess their privilege"
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That's one classroom out of 3.5 million. Is the best way to deal with a teacher in Nevada to pass a law in Oklahoma? No, as several people have posted, it's a wedge issue to stir up the racist Republican base.
 
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The mask is off, Junebug. The game is out in the open.
 
ConnorEl said:
People get upset when they are asked to consider uncomfortable realities or truth.


Best to avoid or even ban them.
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ConnorEl said:
“I identify as….”

“There are oppressive/oppressed or privileged/unprivileged aspects of these identities…”




The horror.
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WakeBored said:
No, those are because teachers are doing things like making White (or in the case of the Nevada school I posted about, mixed-race) students "confess their privilege"
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06deacon said:
The mask is off, Junebug. The game is out in the open.
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I know he’s an intelligent guy, but I can’t tell if he is being intentionally obtuse here for the sake of arguing or if he actually believes this shit.
 
deactherunner said:
lol at "the" objections. Virtually no Republican politician campaigning against critical race theory has demonstrated an understanding of CRT itself, let alone the academic criticisms of it.
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Really? The politicians who wrote the law in OK seem to have a pretty clear understanding of what critical race theory means.

The question still stands, which of the concepts prohibited by that law do you think should be taught in the public schools?

No teacher, administrator or other employee of a school district, charter school or virtual charter school shall require or make part of a course the following concepts:

a. one race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex,

b. an individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously,

c. an individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment solely or partly because of his or her race or sex,

d. members of one race or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race or sex,

e. an individual’s moral character is necessarily determined by his or her race or sex,

f. an individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex,

g. any individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race or sex, or

h. meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist or were created by members of a particular race to oppress members of another race.
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WakeBored said:
If so, that's because fear-mongers like you whip them into a frenzy by telling them the law prohibits things it doesn't.
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God, what bullshit you spew. It's not my side that has suggested that teachers wear body cameras to ensure that they aren't teaching the dreaded CRT or putting up advertisements like the one above. Or passing needless state laws prohibiting something that they seem to know little to nothing about. But sure, sure, it's all the liberals fault.
 
Joint Statement on Legislative Efforts to Restrict Education about Racism in American History (June 2021)


June 16, 2021

We, the undersigned associations and organizations, state our firm opposition to a spate of legislative proposals being introduced across the country that target academic lessons, presentations, and discussions of racism and related issues in American history in schools, colleges and universities. These efforts have taken varied shape in at least 20 states; but often the legislation aims to prohibit or impede the teaching and education of students concerning what are termed “divisive concepts.” These divisive concepts as defined in numerous bills are a litany of vague and indefinite buzzwords and phrases including, for example, “that any individual should feel or be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological or emotional distress on account of that individual’s race or sex.” These legislative efforts are deeply troubling for numerous reasons.

First, these bills risk infringing on the right of faculty to teach and of students to learn. The clear goal of these efforts is to suppress teaching and learning about the role of racism in the history of the United States. Purportedly, any examination of racism in this country’s classrooms might cause some students “discomfort” because it is an uncomfortable and complicated subject. But the ideal of informed citizenship necessitates an educated public. Educators must provide an accurate view of the past in order to better prepare students for community participation and robust civic engagement. Suppressing or watering down discussion of “divisive concepts” in educational institutions deprives students of opportunities to discuss and foster solutions to social division and injustice. Legislation cannot erase “concepts” or history; it can, however, diminish educators’ ability to help students address facts in an honest and open environment capable of nourishing intellectual exploration. Educators owe students a clear-eyed, nuanced, and frank delivery of history, so that they can learn, grow, and confront the issues of the day, not hew to some state-ordered ideology.

Second, these legislative efforts seek to substitute political mandates for the considered judgment of professional educators, hindering students’ ability to learn and engage in critical thinking across differences and disagreements. These regulations constitute an inappropriate attempt to transfer responsibility for the evaluation of a curriculum and subject matter from educators to elected officials. The purpose of education is to serve the common good by promoting open inquiry and advancing human knowledge. Politicians in a democratic society should not manipulate public school curricula to advance partisan or ideological aims. In higher education, under principles of academic freedom that have been widely endorsed, professors are entitled to freedom in the classroom in discussing their subject. Educators, not politicians, should make decisions about teaching and learning.

Knowledge of the past exists to serve the needs of the living. In the current context, this includes an honest reckoning with all aspects of that past. Americans of all ages deserve nothing less than a free and open exchange about history and the forces that shape our world today, an exchange that should take place inside the classroom as well as in the public realm generally. To ban the tools that enable those discussions is to deprive us all of the tools necessary for citizenship in the twenty-first century. A white-washed view of history cannot change what happened in the past. A free and open society depends on the unrestricted pursuit and dissemination of knowledge.

Signed,

American Association of University Professors
American Historical Association
Association of American Colleges & Universities
PEN America
The following organizations have co-signed this statement:
ACPA-College Student Educators International
Agricultural History Society
Alcohol and Drugs History Society
American Anthropological Association
American Association for State and Local History
American Association of Colleges for Teacher Education
American Association of Community Colleges
American Association of Geographers
American Council of Learned Societies
American Educational Research Association
American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO
American Folklore Society
American Library Association
American Philosophical Association
American Political Science Association
American Society for Environmental History
American Society for Theatre Research
American Sociological Association
American Studies Association
Anti-Defamation League
Association for Ancient Historians
Association for Asian American Studies
Association for Documentary Editing
Association for Spanish and Portuguese Historical Studies
Association for the Study of Higher Education
Association for Theatre in Higher Education
Association of African American Museums
Association of College and Research Libraries
Association of Governing Boards of Universities and Colleges
Association of Research Libraries
Association of University Presses
Association of Writers & Writing Programs
Berkshire Conference of Women Historians
Business History Conference
Center for Research Libraries
Central European History Society
Chinese Historians in the United States
Coalition of Urban & Metropolitan Universities (CUMU)
College Art Association
Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender History
Comparative and International Education Society
Conference on Asian History
Conference on Faith and History
Consortium of Humanities Centers and Institutes
Czechoslovak Studies Association
Dance Studies Association
Forum on Early-Modern Empires and Global Interactions
Freedom to Read Foundation
French Colonial Historical Society
German Studies Association
Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities
Historical Society of Twentieth Century China
Immigration Ethnic History Society
John N. Gardner Institute for Excellence in Undergraduate Education
Labor and Working-Class History Association
Middle East Studies Association
Modern Language Association
NAFSA: Association of International Educators
National Association for College Admission Counseling
National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education
National Association of Diversity Officers in Higher Education
National Coalition for History
National Council for the Social Studies
National Council of Teachers of English
National Council on Public History
National Women’s Studies Association
Organization of American Historians
Pacific Coast Branch-American Historical Association
Phi Beta Kappa Society
Radical History Review
Rhetoric Society of America
Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media
Scholars at Risk
Shakespeare Association of America
Society for Austrian and Habsburg History
Society for Classical Studies
Society for Historians of the Early American Republic
Society for Historians of the Gilded Age and Progressive Era
Society for the Study of Early Modern Women and Gender
Society of Architectural Historians
Society of Civil War Historians
Society of Transnational Academic Researchers (STAR Scholars Network)
Southern Historical Association
Urban History Association
Western History Association
World History Association
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WakeBored said:
No, those are because teachers are doing things like making White (or in the case of the Nevada school I posted about, mixed-race) students "confess their privilege"
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Correct - And deep down the Tunnels libs, progressives, and self-proclaimed independents (lol) like ConnorEl attempting to defend this bullshit know this to be true.

This is the reason they create the strawman argument that conservatives don't want the history of slavery, oppression, or Jim Crow taught anymore in schools because they can't defend the pillars of CRT like active racial discrimination, abolition of "whiteness", and anti-capitalism.

I have yet to see one conservative petition for schools to no longer teach the good, bad, and ugly of history.

But there is a wide fucking gap between teaching history and forcing elementary students to reflect on their "whiteness" as part of a tax payer funded NYC public curriculum:

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2021/02/ny-principal-asks-students-parents-to-reflect-on-their-whiteness.html
 
link to posts that defended compulsory 'privilege confessions"?

conservatives are really just dying for a Fascists Theocracy
 
BeachBumDeac said:
I know he’s an intelligent guy, but I can’t tell if he is being intentionally obtuse here for the sake of arguing or if he actually believes this shit.
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Generously I believe he is being intentionally obtuse. It’s just he has no choice but to defend the GOP.
 
Wow... some serious heavy hitters co-signed that joint statement posted above by Mr. Independent ConnorEl.

All I know is you definitely don't want to get on the bad side of the Historical Society of Twentieth Century China or the Rhetoric Society of America.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
I know he’s an intelligent guy, but I can’t tell if he is being intentionally obtuse here for the sake of arguing or if he actually believes this shit.
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Posting on this board, it's easy for me to forget that I'm actually not the one who is the outlier here:

https://gazette.com/poll-majority-h...cle_09b2bc9a-ceef-11eb-828e-c35ebef3bda5.html

Looks like the Dems still have work to do. I'm sure continuing to insult people will eventually work in changing their minds.
 
Colonel Angus said:
Wow... some serious heavy hitters co-signed that joint statement posted above by Mr. Independent ConnorEl.

All I know is you definitely don't want to get on the bad side of the Historical Society of Twentieth Century China or the Rhetoric Society of America.
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No, they're just people who have spent their lives in a classroom setting teaching all of those subjects and have dedicated their careers to teaching students. But I'm sure that you and the Nevada Family Alliance know better about how to educate students and what happens in classrooms, don't you Angus?
 
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