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Banning Critical Race Theory

So this is awkward. Our school is a public, charter school. Open and available to all. You can think of it as like Brasky's school, except open for business and with a waitlist.

You are so fucking stupid. Read what you just wrote. Yet another reminder that you don’t think when you post. You just try to score points without thinking about how you negate them and make our points in the process.

And as usual you didn’t answer my question. I guess you should be grateful you in a state with a Dem governor.
 
You are so fucking stupid. Read what you just wrote. Yet another reminder that you don’t think when you post. You just try to score points without thinking about how you negate them and make our points in the process.

And as usual you didn’t answer my question. I guess you should be grateful you in a state with a Dem governor.

I believe that once again your narrative is clouding your vision. We made the school choice (one our Dem governor and his friends like Brasky on the couch are attempting to restrict) to send our kids to a locally-run public school that actually listened to the scientists, had in-person instruction, masks, distancing and no positive tests. I'm glad we had that choice, and I wish more families did. Our Dem governor does not wish that.

But hey, nice cuss word. You'll always have that.
 
You made that choice. Others couldn’t. That’s exactly how you want it. Even while claiming everyone could make that choice, you had to brag that they actually couldn’t.
 
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You made that choice. Others couldn’t. That’s exactly how you want it. Even while claiming everyone could make that choice, you had to brag that they actually couldn’t.

They couldn't because your party limits the expansion of their options. The waitlists clearly indicate what choices they are trying to make.
 
They couldn't because your party limits the expansion of their options. The waitlists clearly indicate what choices they are trying to make.

They’re trying to choose the school your kids got into and they couldn’t because everybody can’t just choose what they want.

But you should be thankful you have a Dem government who lets schools choose science over politics.
 
They’re trying to choose the school your kids got into and they couldn’t because everybody can’t just choose what they want.

1. If there were more charter schools they would have _______ choices.

a) more,
b) less

2. The party opposing the expansion of charter schools (and thus, restricting educational choice) is the _______ Party.

a) Democrat,
b) Democrat.
 
So the problem for parents who want their children to get into YOUR school is that there aren't enough OTHER schools to choose from.

Seems on brand for Republicans. Everyone deserves to make a "choice" as long as they don't get what you have.
 
So this is awkward. Our school is a public, charter school. Open and available to all. You can think of it as like Brasky's school, except open for business and with a waitlist.

“Open to all” and there is a “waitlist.” I am starting to expect these types of contradictions from you.
 
So the problem for parents who want their children to get into YOUR school is that there aren't enough OTHER schools to choose from.

Seems on brand for Republicans. Everyone deserves to make a "choice" as long as they don't get what you have.

Why don't we have more choices? Who could possibly oppose such a thing? Any ideas?
 
Why don't we have more choices? Who could possibly oppose such a thing? Any ideas?

You got what you want, so I guess you don’t care what other people have as long as it’s not what you have.

What’s funny is jhmd probably wouldn’t be caught dead with his children at a school that didn’t have a waitlist. Even when trying to claim the school was inclusive, he bragged that it wasn’t.
 
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You got what you want, so I guess you don’t care what other people have as long as it’s not what you have.

What’s funny is jhmd probably wouldn’t be caught dead with his children at a school that didn’t have a waitlist. Even when trying to claim the school was inclusive, he bragged that it wasn’t.

The answer is Democrats. Democrats are the ones reducing the choices for people, and causing long waitlists. That's what you were trying to avoid saying. Democrats. For more on this topic, read this: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/unlearning-democrats-answer-on-charter-schools.html

In the dozen years since Barack Obama undertook the most dramatic education reform in half a century — prodding local governments to measure how they serve their poorest students and to create alternatives, especially charter schools, for those who lack decent neighborhood options — two unexpected things have happened. The first is that charter schools have produced dramatic learning gains for low-income minority students. In city after city, from New York to New Orleans, charters have found ways to reach the children who have been most consistently failed by traditional schools. The evidence for their success has become overwhelming, with apolitical education researchers pronouncing themselves shocked at the size of the gains. What was ten years ago merely an experiment has become a proven means to develop the potential of children whose minds had been neglected for generations.

And yet the second outcome of the charter-school breakthrough has been a bitter backlash within the Democratic Party. The political standing of the idea has moved in the opposite direction of the data, as two powerful forces — unions and progressive activists — have come to regard charter schools as a plutocratic assault on public education and an ideological betrayal.
The shift has made charter schools anathema to the left.


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The achievement gap between poor Black and Latino students in cities and rich white students in suburbs represents a sickening waste of human ability and is a rebuke to the American credo of equal opportunity. Its stubborn persistence has tormented generations of educators and social reformers. The rapid progress in producing dramatic learning gains for poor children, and the discovery of models that have proved reliable in their ability to reproduce them, is one of the most exciting breakthroughs in American social policy. For many education specialists, the left’s near abandonment of charter schools has been a bleak spectacle of unlearning — the equivalent of Lincoln promising to rip out municipal water systems or Eisenhower pledging to ban the polio vaccine. Just as the dream is becoming real, the party that helped bring it to life is on the verge of snuffing it out.
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Specifically, what the charter movement has developed is highly effective networks of public charters — such as Success Academy, the Knowledge Is Power Program, and Uncommon Schools — that specialize in closing the achievement gap between Black and white students. The fact that charters cannot select their students, and have to conduct admissions lotteries if they have more applicants than spaces, creates natural experiments. Researchers can compare the academic performance of children who win the lottery and attend a charter with those who lose it and attend a traditional neighborhood school. Every lottery study has found charters produce overall learning gains for urban students. Many of those gains are huge, effectively wiping out the educational inequities that have persisted for the entire history of American schools.
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he fact that charters can produce dramatic learning gains is no longer in serious question. Why they can do so is a matter of some conjecture, but the most successful urban school models share some basic practices. Charters tend to have less money than traditional public schools, and so they focus their resources on longer learning time — extending both the school day and the school calendar. They invest in intensive tutoring, and they don’t spend as much as traditional schools on administrative staff or gyms, cafeterias, and other amenities. They instill schoolwide cultures of respect for learning and orderly environments, so that one or two disruptive students can’t bring classes to a standstill. The best charters tend to focus on high expectations for students, driving home the expectation that every student will attend college. Schools in the Knowledge Is Power program network name each classroom after the teacher’s alma mater, name every class after its expected year of college enrollment, and conduct visits to university campuses — among other methods that might seem hokey if you grew up the child of college graduates.

The final element of charters’ formula is inescapably controversial. They prioritize the welfare of their students over those of their employees, which means paying teachers based on effectiveness rather than how long they’ve been on the job — and being able to fire the worst ones
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Polls show that the backlash against charters has been mainly confined to white liberals, while Black and Latino Democrats — whose children are disproportionately enrolled in those schools — remain supportive.

Imagine that.
 
More on the divide within Democrats on charters here: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brow...rters-diverge-by-race-as-2020-elections-loom/

Interesting stuff.

New poll results from Democrats for Education Reform, an advocacy organization that supports charter schools, show a stark contrast between the attitudes of white Democrats on one side, and black and Hispanic Democrats, on the other. Among white Democratic voters, 26% expressed favorable opinions toward charters, while 62% had unfavorable opinions. The results were essentially flipped for black (58% favorable, 31% unfavorable) and Hispanic (52% favorable, 30% unfavorable) Democratic voters.


Charter schools have been featured prominently in the news lately, with new poll data showing a growing racial divide in Democrats’ support for charters and Sen. Bernie Sanders’ call for a moratorium on public funding for charter school expansion. The news has offered a glimpse of the potential consequences for American students when changes in public opinion toward charters collide with presidential politics.


Jon Valant
The Herman and George R. Brown Chair and Director - Brown Center on Education Policy Senior Fellow - Governance Studies
@JonValant
As one who studies charter schools, I see reason for concern—and maybe a little reason for optimism—in the developments. Charter schools educate disproportionately large shares of black and Hispanic children. Support for charters looks reasonably strong and stable among black and Hispanic Democrats, but it looks weak and is plummeting among white Democrats. The result, I argue, is a risk that growing ideological opposition to charters among white Democrats will have tangible, unwelcome consequences for families of color.

Education reform has an ugly tendency of being done “to and not with” communities of color. While it’s possible that growing skepticism from white Democrats—and pledges to act from candidates like Sanders—will help with cleaning up some of the problems with today’s charter schools and policies, the potential for harm is real.

EVIDENCE OF DIVERGING VIEWS BETWEEN WHITE AND NONWHITE DEMOCRATS
New poll results from Democrats for Education Reform, an advocacy organization that supports charter schools, show a stark contrast between the attitudes of white Democrats on one side, and black and Hispanic Democrats, on the other. Among white Democratic voters, 26% expressed favorable opinions toward charters, while 62% had unfavorable opinions. The results were essentially flipped for black (58% favorable, 31% unfavorable) and Hispanic (52% favorable, 30% unfavorable) Democratic voters.

In response, EdNext examined its own data for an intraparty split. They, too, found such a split—along with evidence that it opened recently and quickly. Using EdNext data, Chalkbeat depicted an extraordinary drop in support from white Democrats from 2016 to 2018 without an accompanying drop from black or Hispanic Democrats:

support for charter schools
[Source: https://chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2019/05/14/charter-schools-democrats-race-polling-divide/]

As the Chalkbeat article explains, the precise cause of these patterns is unclear. One possibility is that charter schools have had a more personal and consistent presence in the lives of black and Hispanic Americans. A 2018 study from Public Agenda reports that 57% of charter schools, compared to only 25% of traditional public schools, operate in cities, and the charter school student population is disproportionately nonwhite (e.g., 33% white, 32% Hispanic, 27% black).


Among several fact-free smears against charters by the expert guessers on this thread is that charter schools are "all white."* They aren't, of course, as anyone who's put the slightest effort into the subject knows that NC charters are on a blind lottery. But the opposition to them sure seems to be.

* This is an interesting accusation to be made by a pool of Wake Forest grads, but that's another topic for another day.
 
Democrats are not anti-choice, they are pro-life.

Republicans are really good at bluster and distraction. Why don’t you start an education policy thread so that this thread can get back to discussing the Oklahoma critical race theory law.
 
All that to explain that jhmd wants Black and Hispanic kids in their own charters not his.

jhmd, did you get a chance to look at those pictures of the Black principal and his wife? Why did conservatives object to them?
 
So this is awkward. Our school is a public, charter school. Open and available to all. You can think of it as like Brasky's school, except open for business and with a waitlist.

Available to all does not mean accessible to all, but that's the point for Republicans.
 
All that to explain that jhmd wants Black and Hispanic kids in their own charters not his.

jhmd, did you get a chance to look at those pictures of the Black principal and his wife? Why did conservatives object to them?

Between the two of us, I'm the only one that graduated from his traditional public high school. Your family made a different choice. I'd like others too as well. You apparently do not. Sounds about right.

As to point #2, you may be surprised to hear this but I don't spend hours each day scouring the internet for things that other conservatives do that might have offended you, nor do I speak for them. I have no idea what you're referring to.
 
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