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Education Policy Thread: Pubs are now the party of choice!

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Here you go WokeAndBroke, this threads for you!

Are you in favor of school choice?

Do you want to focus on improving all schools and not a select few charter schools?

Do you want to provide vouchers to students to go to private schools?

How would transportation work for all these options?

So many questions! But, here is you one stop shop to talk about them.

Data on school voucher programs are mixed: https://www.chalkbeat.org/2017/7/12...ate-heats-up-here-s-what-research-really-says

Short-term they appeard to be negative or nuetral for students, but some evidence suggests that long-term life outcomes are improved.
 
As long as they don't teech no critical race-like theery an' setch.
 
jh, what do you like so much about your charter? I assume it's the Marxist socialism and CRT based curriculum since they have an anti-freedom mask mandate.
 
Why NC needs to hit the pause on school choice until we meet students’ basic needs

Our charter sector similarly increases the barriers to providing a sound basic education. Research has consistently found that North Carolina’s charter schools increase educational costs for school districts while increasing racial segregation.

One might argue that these increased costs would be worth it if charter schools were delivering superior results. However, the best available evidence indicates that traditional schools have been outperforming charters for the past four years.


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Yeah that graph speaks to what I've seen. The rigor of the curriculum of charters schools that attracts our students is non-existent. It is a joke. They are degree mills.

On the other end of the spectrum when I was teaching 8th grade at an affluent MS in Raleigh we had a few students transfer in from local charters and private schools because their parents wanted them to adjust before going to public HS. Their academic performance was way lower than what I expected. One kid couldn't write a legible sentence. His parents were professionally successful helicopter parents who basically tried to bribe us into passing their son. It was sad.
 
I'd like to build 25 more of them so there is no waiting list. This is not a bipartisan position. The opposing party prefers that everyone suck it up at their neighborhood school.

Anecdotally to your question, we lost some kids to a magnet, so six joined off the waitlist this past summer. People making choices is a wonderful thing.

He clearly understands that people aren't on the waitlist for just any school, they're on the waitlist for a specific school. Those kids at his school were on the waitlist for a magnet, so they went to the magnet. Kids on the waitlist for his 70% charter may be at one of the 30% charters. More charters doesn't address that.

He's so stupid he undercuts his own arguments.

Brasky, I've heard similar stories from teachers with stories about private and charter school kids who were a grade level or two behind going into middle or high school. It's so sad that people equate private and exclusive with better.
 
He clearly understands that people aren't on the waitlist for just any school, they're on the waitlist for a specific school. Those kids at his school were on the waitlist for a magnet, so they went to the magnet. Kids on the waitlist for his 70% charter may be at one of the 30% charters. More charters doesn't address that.

He's so stupid he undercuts his own arguments.

If that's the kind of logic they're teaching at these milquetoast charter schools then I fear for our future.
 
Watching Ph and Brasky explain why they don't need meaningful competition confirms why they both sought out professions without it.
 
LOL - So true.

Yet Brasky claims (and I quote), he "could do your job. Tomorrow. It would be easy. Your cowardly ass wouldn’t last an hour in my school. But keep taking potshots from your mediocre midlevel position in an occupation I could do in my sleep."
 
They aren't talking about "meaningful competition" because their point is far too many charter or private schools (not ALL) aren't even competitive and therefore a detriment to those students.

Not that you care about kids once they are born.
 
He clearly understands that people aren't on the waitlist for just any school, they're on the waitlist for a specific school. Those kids at his school were on the waitlist for a magnet, so they went to the magnet. Kids on the waitlist for his 70% charter may be at one of the 30% charters. More charters doesn't address that.

He's so stupid he undercuts his own arguments.

Brasky, I've heard similar stories from teachers with stories about private and charter school kids who were a grade level or two behind going into middle or high school. It's so sad that people equate private and exclusive with better.

What private school kids are you hearing are a grade or two behind our public school curriculum?
 
Everyone should have a choice, and get to go to any school they want, if there are waitlists at a school at the completion of the school year everyone on the waitlist as well as current students get put into the drawing for the next school years grade. The ultimate choice and fairness.
 
Watching Ph and Brasky explain why they don't need meaningful competition confirms why they both sought out professions without it.

LOL go look at the stats posted above. It’s not a competition. Charter schools are safe spaces for families who don’t want their children challenged, socially or academically.
 
He's right you guys. A time series regression applied to the results ConnorEL posted indicated that there was a 0.6% annual increase in the Percent of Schools meeting or exceeding expected annual growth (R-squared = 0.40). If my math is correct, we will have all traditional public school meet or exceed expectations in ~ 59.1 years. Competition form Charter Schools works!
 
He's right you guys. A time series regression applied to the results ConnorEL posted indicated that there was a 0.6% annual increase in the Percent of Schools meeting or exceeding expected annual growth (R-squared = 0.40). If my math is correct, we will have all traditional public school meet or exceed expectations in ~ 59.1 years. Competition form Charter Schools works!


Well, if there's a form involved...the more bureaucratic system will win!
 
Of course, at the same time, the charter schools are exhibiting a 2.3% annual decline in the percent of schools meeting expectations, so it will take an infinite number of years for all of them to meet or exceed expectations... I am left wondering if parents will still choose to send their kids to charter schools when 0% of them are meeting expectations in about 30 years and whether they will still exert competitive pressure on regular public schools to improve.
 
Lol reading the end of that other thread. Jh wants “access” for everyone to the best charter schools the same way 10,000 have “access” to the outdoors. Via a small door at the other end of the building they’re crammed in, leading to a 10sq ft yard. You know, access! If they choose not to use it it’s their fault!
 
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