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CT CCXLV - Where TK reimagines Tom Sizemore as a woman

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TenaciousKory said:
i'd think the sadder PoV would be explicitly deferring criticism about this thing I watched because I want to believe that this point in time and of view is all-encompassing and complete.
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what piece of art is all encompassing and complete? that's an absurd standard.
 
WRS said:
My wife is leaving for a two week road trip on Monday. She’s changing jobs and taking advantage of the transition to take some downtime. Shenanigans will be happening at my house.
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I think if my wife left me to my own devices for two weeks at this point I would probably be in a decently advanced state of decomposition when she got back.
 
WRS said:
My wife is leaving for a two week road trip on Monday. She’s changing jobs and taking advantage of the transition to take some downtime. Shenanigans will be happening at my house.
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Also the idea of this makes my mind explode. So this could've been my life if we had remained childless?
 
TownieDeac said:
what piece of art is all encompassing and complete? that's an absurd standard.
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none of them, which is what makes this deferral of criticism so sad to see tbh

if you can't point out the drawbacks of even your favorite thing (media product, person, organization) in the world then you're trying to live that absurd standard

when you meet the buddha in the road, kill him etc.
 
honestly kinda of surprised by the art conservatism here from you
 
TenaciousKory said:
and for like the tenth time I don't want BoB to be all things to all people

i feel like i'm getting confused with SJW Twitter drive-by criticism
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I don't want to argue against something you're not saying.

But "why couldn't the makers of Band of Brothers have included more women in the storytelling" is straightforwardly asking the series to be something other than what it is.

I think it's a conflation of the idea that we should produce more works by, about, and starring women (a good idea) with a backward looking critique about films/works that didn't do those things (fine, but annoying to me anyway). Critique the patriarchal system that produces a narrow ideology and storytelling if you like, but individual works are the products of their authors and should be judged on their individual visions and not held to some broader ideological standard (imo).
 
TenaciousKory said:
none of them, which is what makes this deferral of criticism so sad to see tbh

if you can't point out the drawbacks of even your favorite thing (media product, person, organization) in the world then you're trying to live that absurd standard

when you meet the buddha in the road, kill him etc.
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i'm not going to hold works up to standards they aren't themselves trying to meet

"why isn't guernica telling the story of indigenous spanish people?" feels really shallow to me as a way of understanding what picasso was depicting.
 
They should do a Band of Brothers for Iraq that includes homefront scenes of the soldiers' wives getting plowed by lots of different guys and draining their bank accounts and it would actually just be a porno.
 
TownieDeac said:
I don't want to argue against something you're not saying.

But "why couldn't the makers of Band of Brothers have included more women in the storytelling" is straightforwardly asking the series to be something other than what it is.

I think it's a conflation of the idea that we should produce more works by, about, and starring women (a good idea) with a backward looking critique about films/works that didn't do those things (fine, but annoying to me anyway). Critique the patriarchal system that produces a narrow ideology and storytelling if you like, but individual works are the products of their authors and should be judged on their individual visions and not held to some broader ideological standard (imo).
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BiffTannen said:
They should do a Band of Brothers for Iraq that includes homefront scenes of the soldiers' wives getting plowed by lots of different guys and draining their bank accounts and it would actually just be a porno.
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This man, while obviously past his prime, still shows flashes of greatness. Biff do you wanna talk about breakfast foods or something because I haven't been able to follow their conversation for the last 20 posts or so.
 
it has rained for the last two days and i kinda like it. just need it to start cooling down into the 50s-60s and i will be very content

honestly just want to wear sweatshirts & flannels. sue me.
 
YoungBuck95 said:
it has rained for the last two days and i kinda like it. just need it to start cooling down into the 50s-60s and i will be very content

honestly just want to wear sweatshirts & flannels. sue me.
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Yeah I'm kinda ready to put on the fall five and drink porters and stouts and hike every weekend.
 
TownieDeac said:
I don't want to argue against something you're not saying.

But "why couldn't the makers of Band of Brothers have included more women in the storytelling" is straightforwardly asking the series to be something other than what it is.
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I don't think I wrote that, but IMO, asking that question is not asking the media product to change, it's just a critical approach to understanding how that media product was produced and how/why we enjoy it and other shows like it.

I don't want a Band of Sisters or for them to reshoot BoB. I really like BoB, but I'm willing to admit that has faults and sure that's probably a larger conversation about 2000s HBO production and attitudes toward women in war (see Battlefield V's release) but why the insistence that it isn't?

TownieDeac said:
I think it's a conflation of the idea that we should produce more works by, about, and starring women (a good idea) with a backward looking critique about films/works that didn't do those things (fine, but annoying to me anyway). Critique the patriarchal system that produces a narrow ideology and storytelling if you like, but individual works are the products of their authors and should be judged on their individual visions and not held to some broader ideological standard (imo).
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I loath representation as a political project, so I largely agree with this except to say that the author died in 1967 and it's okay to BOTH examine them on their merits and look beyond them to evaluate them as we each see fit.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
i'm not even really sure what tkory's point is here
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Was it you that was talking about wanting to retire? I feel that. I just wanna hang out with my kids and travel and shit. I can't wait for my lottery number to hit.
 
yea, i'll admit i'm a bit lost, too

but i think he's saying that the particular presentation of the story in the miniseries minimized the world created in the book where soldiers had mothers, wives, and daughters?

so the issue is less the source material and more the adaptation and presentation of it?
 
look when you teach mass comm you gotta think about our media and sometimes you gotta think about being critical too
 
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