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Thread: 2021 ACC Championship Thread: WAKE vs. PITT (Dec 4 - 8pm)

  1. #1221
    Thatís an interesting observation about avoiding the over-the-middle passes

    I hope this game didnít save Hemphillís job

  2. #1222
    Wolford absolutely feasted over the middle. Last year, Roberson made a name for himself on the 7-8 yard slant over the middle. I love the slow mesh SOMETIMES. Sometimes it needs to vary in pace just like the overall tempo of the offense.

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    Yep. Moving away from strengths because sometimes DL get their hands up seems like overkill. Sometimes defenders just make great plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Yep. Moving away from strengths because sometimes DL get their hands up seems like overkill. Sometimes defenders just make great plays.
    And once you stop throwing over the middle, you completely defeat the purpose of the mesh. If the LBs don't have to worry about proper depth in the pass game vs coming up to stop the run, then they sell out on blitzing or filling gaps. You end up with corners playing off the ball and deep safeties hanging out playing center field.

  5. #1225
    i don't think we "avoided" attacking the middle as much as pitt's defense was geared to take that away. especially once they shut down our run game, they had their linebackers playing zone across the middle most plays. the positive matchups for us were the 1:1s on the outside and we just didn't execute well. but the crux of the issue was the inability to run the ball, which allowed pitt to take away the middle of the field.

  6. #1226
    the mesh worked, even when the run game was weak

    Hartman just missed on a bunch of passes to open guys in one-on-one situations the scheme created

  7. #1227
    He did miss some throws but it also seemed several times like receivers were running routes Hartman wasnít expecting them to run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuiceCrewAllStar View Post
    the mesh worked, even when the run game was weak

    Hartman just missed on a bunch of passes to open guys in one-on-one situations the scheme created
    I counted two, maybe three deep passes that would easily been touchdowns if they weren't underthrown. I agree that the mesh worked. The deep pass was the correct read due to the 1v1 coverage, Deacs just didn't execute it.

  9. #1229
    Quote Originally Posted by DCDeac View Post
    A "blue print" to beat the Deacs is overstating it imho. That blue print starts with having a defensive line that can dominate us and shut down our running game and rush Sam on every throw. Only Clemson and Pitt had that. Sure, faking injuries to slow us down can help, but it's not some universal plan to beating us.

    Light upgrades on defense and the O-line would put us back with a great shot to repeat next year in the Atlantic. Down 3 in the 3rd quarter is not some mandate to blow everything up.
    Light upgrades. Perhaps 5 or 6 new starters?

  10. #1230
    Quote Originally Posted by lbdeac94 View Post
    I counted two, maybe three deep passes that would easily been touchdowns if they weren't underthrown. I agree that the mesh worked. The deep pass was the correct read due to the 1v1 coverage, Deacs just didn't execute it.
    Yup. There have been many times this year we have all see those passes by Hartman where they were underthrown or the receiver didn't look like he was on the same page. Still not happy about the play calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deachus View Post
    While I'm sure Pitt would've still scored more than 17 points without those things happening, after the first quarter, the defense did play well. The defense has been good at times this year, but when it's bad it's been really bad. We need much better consistency.
    boorish ruffian

  13. #1233
    We havenít been throwing over the middle. I assume itís because Hartman broke the world record for batted passes at the line but maybe we just decided for some other reason to rarely if ever throw over the middle the last few games. But Iím betting itís because of all the batted passes. I know during the Boston College game the announcer said Hartman was at like 55 batted passes at the line so far this season which by far and away was the most in the country. Thatís not ďsometimes defenders just make great playsĒ. 55 batted passes is ridiculous and itís a problem. That mesh is too close to the line to throw over it and Hartman isnít tall enough to compensate. Plus, he canít see over the line and thatís also very dangerous. The result is passes across the field at tougher angles and interceptions.

  14. #1234
    Quote Originally Posted by guitardeac View Post
    We havenít been throwing over the middle. I assume itís because Hartman broke the world record for batted passes at the line but maybe we just decided for some other reason to rarely if ever throw over the middle the last few games. But Iím betting itís because of all the batted passes. I know during the Boston College game the announcer said Hartman was at like 55 batted passes at the line so far this season which by far and away was the most in the country. Thatís not ďsometimes defenders just make great playsĒ. 55 batted passes is ridiculous and itís a problem. That mesh is too close to the line to throw over it and Hartman isnít tall enough to compensate. Plus, he canít see over the line and thatís also very dangerous. The result is passes across the field at tougher angles and interceptions.
    I also wonder how healthy Roberson is. He has been pretty quiet (by his standards) the second half of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveanddiedeac View Post
    While I'm sure Pitt would've still scored more than 17 points without those things happening, after the first quarter, the defense did play well. The defense has been good at times this year, but when it's bad it's been really bad. We need much better consistency.
    Does the first Wake defender EVER make the tackle? I was paying attention to that Saturday night and the first would-be tackler almost never took the guy down. No matter where it was on the field. I think tackling ia a big issue and that seems like coaching. We don't square up - at least from what I saw at my angle Saturday - and it just looked like poor fundamentals overall. Now, it may just be that we don't have the athletes yet on defense to get in position to make the tackle right. I think that's the more likely cause.

  16. #1236
    Watching the replay on ACCN. First quarter. So weird to see how much in a groove we we were in and to realize we are never going to score again.

  17. #1237
    Quote Originally Posted by DeacDaddy View Post
    Watching the replay on ACCN. First quarter. So weird to see how much in a groove we we were in and to realize we are never going to score again.
    The last picture I took Saturday night was a selfie of the scoreboard at the start of the second quarter. Up 21-14, and we didnít score again. Ugh.

  18. #1238
    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    The last picture I took Saturday night was a selfie of the scoreboard at the start of the second quarter. Up 21-14, and we didnít score again. Ugh.
    The game looked like it was going to become epic at that point...
    (Not a parody)

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    As the first quarter ended, my group was talking about how we were pressuring Pitt into a track meet, which is something they hadnít been in all season. Universal agreement that was a good thing for the Deacs. Then, nothing.

  20. #1240
    Watching the game again too (not sure why). Looked like on the (3rd Int. I think). He throws the ball and the receiver is not even looking until the end and it's underthrown. Had Hartman got the ball to him, it would have been a touchdown.

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