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Ukraine is game to you?

"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the press. I am delighted to join you after meeting my Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. This time, we have not bothered to discuss treaties he won’t respect and promises he won’t keep. We have told him, instead, that an invasion of Ukraine will carry very, very high costs—higher than he has ever imagined. We are now planning to cut off Russian gas exports completely—Europe will find its energy supplies somewhere else. We are now preparing to assist the Ukrainian resistance, for a decade if need be. We are quadrupling our support for the Russian opposition, and for Russian media too. We want to make sure that Russians will start hearing the truth about this invasion, and as loudly as possible. And if you want to do regime change in Ukraine, we’ll get to work on regime change in Russia."

Here's a start: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/

Good article thx for sharing. Yeah I dunno why we didn’t do this 6 months ago. We’ve been completely outflanked. It’s embarrassing…
 
Putin just wanted to sit back and watch the doping figure skater now that she was reinstated
 
let's see, she gets busted in December and everything ramps up until she was cleared by the IOC yesterday or whatever

MAKES YOU WONDER
 
"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the press. I am delighted to join you after meeting my Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. This time, we have not bothered to discuss treaties he won’t respect and promises he won’t keep. We have told him, instead, that an invasion of Ukraine will carry very, very high costs—higher than he has ever imagined. We are now planning to cut off Russian gas exports completely—Europe will find its energy supplies somewhere else. We are now preparing to assist the Ukrainian resistance, for a decade if need be. We are quadrupling our support for the Russian opposition, and for Russian media too. We want to make sure that Russians will start hearing the truth about this invasion, and as loudly as possible. And if you want to do regime change in Ukraine, we’ll get to work on regime change in Russia."

Here's a start: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/

So she: suggests threatening Russia with regime change, blanket labels American adversaries as “autocrats”, never mentions or considers the US and NATO movements regarding Ukraine that have come before this moment.

When you read any American expert opinion regarding foreign affairs, you should pay attention to how they describe events - no foreign leader acts in a vacuum, not even Putin.
 
it does seem lame that Russian diplomats always get to publicly treat everyone like shit all the time and everyone else quietly wrings hands.
 
It’s just a suggested quote. It was never really said

I understand it’s hypothetical. The problem is that the article just paints a one sided narrative that Putin has been acting in a vacuum in regards to Ukraine, without providing any greater context as to what’s happening there and why. It’s a constant problem with Western/American media that all of our foreign policy is dishonestly portrayed as defensive/reactionary. That’s where the whole “America-World Police” bullshit comes from, pretending that we are just neutral actors trying to keep the peace, rather than involved actors with our own agenda.
 
I understand it’s hypothetical. The problem is that the article just paints a one sided narrative that Putin has been acting in a vacuum in regards to Ukraine, without providing any greater context as to what’s happening there and why. It’s a constant problem with Western/American media that all of our foreign policy is dishonestly portrayed as defensive/reactionary. That’s where the whole “America-World Police” bullshit comes from, pretending that we are just neutral actors trying to keep the peace, rather than involved actors with our own agenda.

stop victim blaming
 
I will never understand the need that people have to interpret every situation or concept as a binary choice - good/bad, Democrat/Republican, fascism/democracy, capitalism/socialism. It’s incredibly lazy. I’m just trying to imagine the child’s mindset that considers the situation of Russia invading Ukraine and believes the solution could have been a tougher more threatening speech. That’s baby brain shit.
 
I will never understand the need that people have to interpret every situation or concept as a binary choice - good/bad, Democrat/Republican, fascism/democracy, capitalism/socialism. It’s incredibly lazy. I’m just trying to imagine the child’s mindset that considers the situation of Russia invading Ukraine and believes the solution could have been a tougher more threatening speech. That’s baby brain shit.

because we have nothing else to talk about. do you really think anything that gets said out loud matters when really it's a phone call between US and Russian diplomats
 
Hell, every national foreign policy discussion devolves into “How much force(money/bombs/troops) should America spend to stop country x from doing this thing we don’t want them to do?” And from there we just draw sides based on how much force Republicans want to use vs how much force Democrats want to use. We run straight past what’s happening, why it’s happening, what past events led to this, straight to “how do we get exactly what we want right now without starting WW3?”
 
I'm sure a multi-week examination of Ukrainian history would be very helpful in preventing Putin from invading tomorrow.
 
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