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NBA offseason thread

palmab03 said:
So the nets are taking back Hedo as well according to SC, who do they Amnesty? Playing with Deron in NYC is obviously a draw, but someone needs to get a new GM on that team stat after that Caron Butler offer.
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I don't know if it's playing with Deron as much as it is playing with an owner who won't sabotage his team to make a point... Say what you want about Prokorov (sp), but he's not afraid to spend money if it means winning...
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
Hollinger's take:
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Strickland33 said:
Do you watch the NBA? Pau Gasol is really freaking good. Also, you're about to lose your 6'6 starting PF. Also what Hollinger said (via FYC).
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@FYC, thanks

@Strickland, yes I watch the NBA, and yes I know how good Pau is, but you do realize that the Rockets would be losing 3 of their 5 starters this offseason, right? Chuck Hayes is gone (Rockets won't match Sacramento's big offer for him), and Scola/Martin were the bulk of scoring on that team. Hell, the only reason the Rockets ever acquired Martin was because in Daryl Morey's advanced metrics, Martin was one of the league's top performers.
 
THE DEUCE said:
If Jordan was smart he would have traded 2 1st rounders to get Paul in the 2005 draft instead of picking Felton.
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Even more humorous was the rumors of the Hawks offerring Marvin + half their team for CP3. Hawks would have made the finals by now with Horford, Smith JJ and CP3.
 
Strickland33 said:
I don't know if it's playing with Deron as much as it is playing with an owner who won't sabotage his team to make a point... Say what you want about Prokorov (sp), but he's not afraid to spend money if it means winning...
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Signing Travis Outlaw and Caron Butler doesn't mean winning though. Apparantly Caron Butler having season ending injuries means winning.
 
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Fuck Your Couch said:
The Nets will amnesty Travis Outlaw.
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Hmmm, just checked Hedo's contract, its not as terrible as I thought. Morrow's not a bad piece, but their cap is still completely filled with Hedo/Howard/Deron (and I literally have no clue who 4 or 5 of their remaining players even are, that can't be good), but both Howard and Deron stand to be good in 3 years time if the nets don't blow it giving mid-levels to terrible people every year trying to win sooner than they should.
 
TexasDeac10 said:
@FYC, thanks

@Strickland, yes I watch the NBA, and yes I know how good Pau is, but you do realize that the Rockets would be losing 3 of their 5 starters this offseason, right? Chuck Hayes is gone (Rockets won't match Sacramento's big offer for him), and Scola/Martin were the bulk of scoring on that team. Hell, the only reason the Rockets ever acquired Martin was because in Daryl Morey's advanced metrics, Martin was one of the league's top performers.
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They're losing 3/5 starters on a team that missed the playoffs. In the West, there's no way that the team as it was was going to have a higher ceiling than to compete for a playoff spot.

Pau is better than Scola and, like others have pointed to, it wasn't like the Rockets were going to sit on their hands in free agency...

Additionally, what about all of those young big men that are just hanging out on the bench (Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Hasheem Thabeet, Donatas Motiejunas, and evidently fellow 6'6 PF Marqus Blakely, as well).
 
palmab03 said:
Signing Travis Outlaw and Caron Butler doesn't mean winning though.
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They didn't sign Caron Butler. Travis might have been paid too much, but he had a really uncharacteristically awful year, as well...
 
The NBA has long been a league in which a few great GMs take advantage of the rest. Seems strange for Stern to finally do something about it now.
 
Strickland33 said:
They're losing 3/5 starters on a team that missed the playoffs. In the West, there's no way that the team as it was was going to have a higher ceiling than to compete for a playoff spot.

Pau is better than Scola and, like others have pointed to, it wasn't like the Rockets were going to sit on their hands in free agency...

Additionally, what about all of those young big men that are just hanging out on the bench (Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Hasheem Thabeet, Donatas Motiejunas, and evidently fellow 6'6 PF Marqus Blakely, as well).
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Hey, I think they'll be better off now after reading Hollinger's take, but I wanted to know how much cap room they were getting and what they could do with it. I thought Nene was off the table, but it seems he's a possibility now if the trade can go through.


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Motiejunas is apparently a long way from contributing. He'll probably start the year in D-League.

The Rockets, as Hollinger pointed out, weren't exactly bums last year whent hey missed the playoffs. They would have made it had Memphis not gone on its streak to end the season.

Most Rockets insiders think the Thabeet experiment is dead. He'll get this year to try and progress, but apparently in practice he's the same ol' Thabeet he's always been. He's basically the NBA's Ty Walker.

Beyond Lowry and Terrance Williams though, I'm not sure what the Rockets will have in terms of perimeter players though. That's going to need to be addressed.
 
Strickland33 said:
They didn't sign Caron Butler. Travis might have been paid too much, but he had a really uncharacteristically awful year, as well...
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No they didn't, but they did offer Caron Butler more years and money (4 years 30 mil) than he got with the Clippers, which has to date been known as the worst signing so far. So to recap, they offerred a worse deal than the worst signing so far.
 
TexasDeac10 said:
Beyond Lowry and Terrance Williams though, I'm not sure what the Rockets will have in terms of perimeter players though. That's going to need to be addressed.
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You're forgetting Courtney Lee, primarily, who is a far better defender than Kevin Martin and probably could give you 75% of his scoring production when he's healthy.

Chase Budinger is a 7th man (at best) on a great team, but he's definitely serviceable.

Jonny Flynn should be solid, as well.

So yeah, I'm not sure they would overcome the loss of Kevin Martin and Dragic, but it's not like they're without solid pieces to build on in free agency and through the draft.
 
Ah shit, I completely blanked on Lee.

Flynn is a huge wildcard. If the Rockets can get one of Flynn, Williams, or Thabeet to contribute meaningfully, I think the organization will be very pleased.
 
Ah shit, I completely blanked on Lee.

Flynn is a huge wildcard. If the Rockets can get one of Flynn, Williams, or Thabeet to contribute meaningfully, I think the organization will be very pleased.
 
Strickland33 said:
You're forgetting Courtney Lee, primarily, who is a far better defender than Kevin Martin and probably could give you 75% of his scoring production when he's healthy.

Chase Budinger is a 7th man (at best) on a great team, but he's definitely serviceable.

Jonny Flynn should be solid, as well.

So yeah, I'm not sure they would overcome the loss of Kevin Martin and Dragic, but it's not like they're without solid pieces to build on in free agency and through the draft.
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Agree with most but Kevin Martin is one of the if not the most efficient perimeter player in the league. His TS% is 60% and has been for like 5 years. Courtney lee isn't replacing 40% of that let alone 75%.

"The walking advertisement for true shooting percentage got his mark back over 60, marking the fifth time in six seasons he's done so. That was good enough for third among shooting guards, and as usual it was 3s and free throws that got him there. Martin's 43.6 shooting percentage is nothing to write home about -- it's actually barely above the median for shooting guards.

But he led all shooting guards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt at 0.53, and he made 88.8 percentage of his free throws. Plus, he shot 38.3 percent on 3-pointers. Between those two items he had the second-best secondary percentage at his position; among high-usage players of any stripe, only Chauncey Billups outranked him.

Martin added quantity to his quality, averaging 28.8 points per 40 minutes -- that would be more than Dwyane Wade, or any other player whose first name doesn't end in "obe." He wasn't near the top of the scoring charts because he played only 32.5 minutes per game. That approach seems a bit puzzling, but it did at least keep him fresh -- wracked by injuries the previous three seasons, Martin played in 80 games in 2010-11. "
 
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Yea, KMart is an efficiency god. He's money from 3, and when he's not doing that, he's setting up shop at the FT line where he converts at a top rate. Good things happen almost every time he gets the ball. Maybe not spectacular things, but good things. Efficient things.
 
NBA players on twitter are gold. Jason Richardson called Dan Gilbert Buck Nasty. Danny Granger said he is following Metta World Peace's initiative and changing his name to Sterns Bitch.
 
palmab03 said:
Agree with most but Kevin Martin is one of the if not the most efficient perimeter player in the league. Courtney Lee isn't replacing 40% of that let alone 75%.
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Well, first let's adjust their stats for pace over 40 minutes:

Kevin Martin = 28.8 p40pa
Courtney Lee = 15.0 p40pa

40% of Martin's production is a measly 11.52 points per game.

Lee is ultimately, closer to 50% of Martin's production, but that's just at first glance. If you notice, Lee gets just 8.2% of the Rockets's offensive possessions vs. 22.1% for Martin.

Lee touched the ball 37.1% less than Martin. Given that he already produces roughly half of the points that Martin does, I feel fairly comfortable projecting that Lee can get to 21.6 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted or 17.6 points per game.

Of course, it's based on loose assumptions and suspect math, but if you double Lee's possessions (which is still less than the amount of time Martin had the ball in his hands), at the very least, I'm guessing he's going to attempt more 7.1 FGA/game without Martin in the lineup.

Adding to say that you have to consider that the fact that Lee has primarily been used as a spot-up shooter and defensive specialist thus far in this career. That will change if they get rid of Kevin Martin.
 
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Fuck Your Couch said:
NBA players on twitter are gold. Jason Richardson called Dan Gilbert Buck Nasty. Danny Granger said he is following Metta World Peace's initiative and changing his name to Sterns Bitch.
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Can I posrep Danny Granger?
 
Rondo and CP3 absolutely hate eachother. Not only is Rondo going to be a whiny bitch because the Celts had him on the table, its going to be tenfold because it was for CP3.

Can't wait to watch.
 
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