Ron Wellman meets the media.

[DCDeac]

DC you are so full of shit. Gary Clark, Harris, JTT, Travis, Ty, and Ari were certainly enough talent for Bzz to work with, and if he didn't have his head up his fucking ass he could have won with them.

Believe what you want. Ari was (and still is) garbage. Ty was garbage and a total mental case, tweeting about having bad feelings about injuries in upcoming games. JTT was raw and played zero defense. Gary Clark was a one dimensional player. CJ was solid but unspectacular. Travis was our best player as a freshman. The team had no viable point guard and no viable center.

You're getting into whether we should have sucked or if we should have REALLY sucked with that roster. It's a boring argument. That's not a winning recipe in any league, so I could give a shit if you think Wake could have won 4 more games that year. Those guys played man defense against Stetson and gave up a mind-boggling 90 points to them. [Redacted] may suck as a coach, but at some point you have to hold players accountable. Then when those players start getting DUI's and robbing dorms, just maybe there's some responsibility issues there.

 

[Atlanta Deacon]

That's what we told ourselves last year. Next year it will all be about the promising recruits we have coming in. The year after that it will be about [Redacted] coaching the current freshmen in their senior year. The year after that we'll be back to rebuilding.

This is all assuming no transfers. Any transfers and [Redacted] will have more excuses.

The cycle of excuses from Wellman is inexhaustible if no one in the administration has the courage to do the right thing.

This was the year to can him. If we tread water next year, it will be about waiting for 5* Shelton Mitchell to save the day. The only way he's gone before March 2015 is if the '13-'14 season is a bigger steaming turd than this year.

 

[RJKarl]

"There is a difference in a player "talent gap" which we did NOT have in Buzz's first year and a coaching "talent gap" which we had and continue to have. That coaching "talent gap" was and is the reason our "players fail" and our team underperforms."

You are simply wrong about this. We lost our only PG in preseason. Ari's concussion and other problems seeped into the lockerroom. The staff bent over backwards to get Melvin's and Ty's heads on right. The players didn't do their part.

 

[jaybone]

DC you are so full of shit. Gary Clark, Harris, JTT, Travis, Ty, and Ari were certainly enough talent for Bzz to work with, and if he didn't have his head up his fucking ass he could have won with them. You're so fucking spiteful towards everything related to Dino's tenure that you blatantly exaggerate how bad it was when Bzz got here, and it's just not fucking true. If you're going to assume that they were a lost cause just because Jeff [Redacted] couldn't win with them, or even get along with them, then you're a damned fool.

Disagree. If Wellman had kept Dino I feel fairly comfortable saying his fourth year would have sucked just as badly.

For me, I think it boiled down to Dino was an empty suit. A lot like Bruce Pearl only with some morality Pearl doesn't have. Dino would have been fine if he was just his own man but not to get too philosophical, I'm not sure Dino knows who that guy is. Not a horrific knock as a lot of people struggle with this. But the tell or me was his first press conference as head coach in which he tried to reference Shakesperean tragegy a la Prosser and he just fell on his face. The quote was wrong, made no sense, and just revealed Shakespeare and Dino don't mix. I kind of thought we were doomed from that press conference forward.

 

[Neurodeac]

DC you are so full of shit. Gary Clark, Harris, JTT, Travis, Ty, and Ari were certainly enough talent for Bzz to work with, and if he didn't have his head up his fucking ass he could have won with them. You're so fucking spiteful towards everything related to Dino's tenure that you blatantly exaggerate how bad it was when Bzz got here, and it's just not fucking true. If you're going to assume that they were a lost cause just because Jeff [Redacted] couldn't win with them, or even get along with them, then you're a damned fool.

We were picked by the writers to finish last, even before Woods was lost. DC isn't the only one to think there was a talent gap.

 

[bmoneydeac]

Disagree. If Wellman had kept Dino I feel fairly comfortable saying his fourth year would have sucked just as badly.

For me, I think it boiled down to Dino was an empty suit. A lot like Bruce Pearl only with some morality Pearl doesn't have. Dino would have been fine if he was just his own man but not to get too philosophical, I'm not sure Dino knows who that guy is. Not a horrific knock as a lot of people struggle with this. But the tell or me was his first press conference as head coach in which he tried to reference Shakesperean tragegy a la Prosser and he just fell on his face. The quote was wrong, made no sense, and just revealed Shakespeare and Dino don't mix. I kind of thought we were doomed from that press conference forward.

lol, i love when jaybone starts hypothesizing about people's inner thoughts based on a couple of random things he pieces together.

 

[pourdeac]

You'd have to think hiring a guy much worse than Crean might take 5 or 6 years to get Wake in a position to be Sweet 16 bound, and with another solid 2014 signing that's about where we are. Meanwhile you look around the ACC and see other coaches succeeding over much shorter time frames - coaches that don't suck with the media, alienate the fan base, struggle to relate to players, and seem to offload their recruiting to coaches they didn't hire.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but IMO struggling with players (that weren't his) and offloading recruiting to coaches he didn't hire were both forced by Wellman. He seems to relate well to players that were recruited with him in mind. So I think those issues led directly to a longer "recovery" than you might see with other coaches. I understand on the surface the longer time, and the precedent of it also happening at Colorado too, leads to a fear of constant mediocrity, but that certainly may not be the case....as even you point out. We'll know a lot next season.

 

[ChrisL68]

Then we should have let Dino fail and then canned him. Would have given the next coach more flexibility anyway.

 

[deacvision7]

This whole situation is just so toxic. And it all lays at the feet of Ron Wellman.

 

[Ralph Medlin]

There is absolutely no evidence that is true. And nothing Wellman does down the road will redeem him in my eyes. There is no reason to do this another year. Hell, there was no reason to do it the first three. Needless suffering.

We are going to suck so bad next year, Wellman will have no choice. He is going to get killed in the media; Donut Dan included.

The "once proud Wake program" story is going to take off big time. Seth Davis, Andy Katz and the like are very aware of WFU.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Disagree. If Wellman had kept Dino I feel fairly comfortable saying his fourth year would have sucked just as badly.

For me, I think it boiled down to Dino was an empty suit. A lot like Bruce Pearl only with some morality Pearl doesn't have. Dino would have been fine if he was just his own man but not to get too philosophical, I'm not sure Dino knows who that guy is. Not a horrific knock as a lot of people struggle with this. But the tell or me was his first press conference as head coach in which he tried to reference Shakesperean tragegy a la Prosser and he just fell on his face. The quote was wrong, made no sense, and just revealed Shakespeare and Dino don't mix. I kind of thought we were doomed from that press conference forward.

oh Lord, jaybone and DC disagree with me, I better rethink all my life decisions.

 

[bmoneydeac]

We were picked by the writers to finish last, even before Woods was lost. DC isn't the only one to think there was a talent gap.

there's a pretty big difference between being picked to finish last in the ACC and then being among the worst BCS conference team ever. equivocating the two is cringe-worthy. skip prosser finished last and went toe-to-toe with the fucking national champions. we finished last and got the doors blown off by the #10 and #11 teams in the league by about 30 a night if i'm remembering correctly.

 

[DCDeac]

This was the year to can him. If we tread water next year, it will be about waiting for 5* Shelton Mitchell to save the day. The only way he's gone before March 2015 is if the '13-'14 season is a bigger steaming turd than this year.

Very much agree with this. If you look at our performance over the past 3 years, the freshmen we have in the program, and Shelton in the pipeline... It's an attractive job with nowhere to go but up right now. A great up-and-coming coach would have been perfect. Really thought the public pressure and anger of the fan base might have gotten us there.

 

[Atlanta Deacon]

Then we should have let Dino fail and then canned him. Would have given the next coach more flexibility anyway.

This. Firing Dino was the right move, if you had a replacement. Otherwise, let him fail and you don't look like an idiot when you fire a successful coach and hire a career loser.

 

[PhDeac]

Wellman will always have a choice as long as the enablers in the Wake administration let him. Wellman will ride off into the sunset viewed as a successful AD even as he leaves a dumpster fire across almost all sports in his wake.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

This whole situation is just so toxic. And it all lays at the feet of Ron Wellman.

this.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

there's a pretty big difference between being picked to finish last in the ACC and then being among the worst BCS conference team ever. equivocating the two is cringe-worthy. skip prosser finished last and went toe-to-toe with the fucking national champions. we finished last and got the doors blown off by the #10 and #11 teams in the league by about 30 a night if i'm remembering correctly.

ACC preseason predictions annually mean less than dick.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

Stupid to argue about shit that happened three years ago. We're all (99% of us) unified that Bzd needs to be fired. Let's not splinter over things that have happened in the past.

 

[ChrisL68]

there's a pretty big difference between being picked to finish last in the ACC and then being among the worst BCS conference team ever. equivocating the two is cringe-worthy. skip prosser finished last and went toe-to-toe with the fucking national champions. we finished last and got the doors blown off by the #10 and #11 teams in the league by about 30 a night if i'm remembering correctly.

The year before Miami finished last and was a top 50 kenpom team.

 

[DG3]

I'm very sorry that this is what things have to for loyal Wake fans.