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Season long PGA tour thread--the presidents cup from south korea

DCDeac said:
Everyone's loving DJ now...

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/dustin-johnson-has-new-outlook-his-game-and-his-life

Pebble was extremely positive between Gretzky and Dustin - their entire families are intertwined now.
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He still denies the drug suspension stories, yet hasn't threatened any sort of legal action against those who ran with the story.

I think he spent most of his 20's coked out of his mind, and like most of us do when we realize we are about to have children he has decided to clean up his act. If he can stay sober, he's the one American I feel can be a legit challenger to Rory for the #1 spot in coming years. He has the same physical tools, but he's got some scar tissue to overcome. His Simple Jack approach to majors has got to stop.
 
Liquid Karma said:
He still denies the drug suspension stories, yet hasn't threatened any sort of legal action against those who ran with the story.

I think he spent most of his 20's coked out of his mind, and like most of us do when we realize we are about to have children he has decided to clean up his act. If he can stay sober, he's the one American I feel can be a legit challenger to Rory for the #1 spot in coming years. He has the same physical tools, but he's got some scar tissue to overcome. His Simple Jack approach to majors has got to stop.
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The only major he really blew was that 1 US Open that GMac won. He had a high finish at the Open Clarke won, and he played well down the stretch of Kaymer's PGA with the exception of the last hole. As for the grounding of that iron, he had no idea he was in a bunker. I didn't either when I was watching it, and neither did the announcers at that time. The 1 thing I would say about him at majors is that, with the exception of last year's US Open, he hasn't done much at the majors in the last 2-3 years. His high finishes were like 3-4 years ago. So maybe his excessive lifestyle has been affecting his game.

As for the drug issue, wasn't Paulina complicit in all that?
 
While it helps to have the talent that Johnson has, feel like "physical attributes" are pretty far down the list on what makes an all time great golfer. Intelligence, creativity, discipline are all attributes that DJ lacks and likely will lack for his career. Have a hard time seeing DJ be able to improve significantly in those areas the way others can work on their physical attributes over time.
 
DJ is a poor putter from 8-15 feet, relative to the other top players. And he is below average from 120-yards and in for that reason (see Nos. 17 and yesterday). He drove the ball ridiculously well this weekend, and should have won. However, after Hahn made that putt on the par 3, I thought there was no chance in hell that DJ would answer him. Really thought there was little chance he would make the putt on 18 in regulation. If you want someone to be No. 1 in the world, you have to assume they are going to make those putts.

Coke/lifestyle is not as big a concern as someone who can't make a huge putt or hit a close wedge when it really matters. If he gets the lifestyle in order he will make a ton of money, threaten in several majors, and basically have Sergio's career. That is an awesome career, but he ain't challenging Rory, ever.
 
I think there's a decent gap between Rory and Sergio. DJ belongs somewhere in between. I hope closer to Rory.
 
There is a big gap between Rory (when he is on) and everyone else right now. Not like the Tiger gap was, but still significant. Sergio and DJ both have "clutch" issues, along with ridiculous talent. Sergio is No. 6 in the world,currently, and has had an incredible career already. He should have won a couple of majors - shot himself in the foot a few times, ran into Tiger a few times, and Harrington a couple of times during his run. Odds are Johnson wins 1 major, maybe 2, but odds are not that great that he will end up with a better track record than Sergio in the majors overall (counting top 10s, for instance). The point is, Sergio is right up there with anyone not named Rory right now, and there is a big gap between he and Rory.
 
Agree with ABC. As for DJ winning a major or 2, I like his chances at St. Andrews every 5 years and the next time it's at Pebble.
 
Without looking, who has more PGA Tour victories? Dustin or Sergio?

If you said they're tied with 8, kudos. That's despite Sergio playing an extra 8 years of at least 16 PGA Tour starts before Dustin won in his first real season in 2008.

I'm with LK on this one. Dustin has been teetering on the edge of greatness with a drug problem and a terrible work ethic to this point - and he still has more top 10's in majors than Sergio does over the years they've both been playing.

Talent shows up in ball striking - work ethic shows up in the short game. If he can just improve his putting and short irons by 10% or so I can see him rivaling Rory. He finished 13th in the FedEx cup in his last full year on tour - and that was with a negative strokes gained putting stat. Last year before he ditched, his driving distance, accuracy, and GIR percentage were all basically identical to Rory.

There's no other American that can hang with Rory talent-wise like Dustin can with the possible exception of Bubba. I could see Dustin eclipsing Bubba over the next 5 years though.
 
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Holy Shit ! America's in trouble ! I must improve my golf game !

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DCDeac said:
Without looking, who has more PGA Tour victories? Dustin or Sergio?

If you said they're tied with 8, kudos. That's despite Sergio playing an extra 8 years of at least 16 PGA Tour starts before Dustin won in his first real season in 2008.

I'm with LK on this one. Dustin has been teetering on the edge of greatness with a drug problem and a terrible work ethic to this point - and he still has more top 10's in majors than Sergio does over the years they've both been playing.

Talent shows up in ball striking - work ethic shows up in the short game. If he can just improve his putting and short irons by 10% or so I can see him rivaling Rory. He finished 13th in the FedEx cup in his last full year on tour - and that was with a negative strokes gained putting stat. Last year before he ditched, his driving distance, accuracy, and GIR percentage were all basically identical to Rory.

There's no other American that can hang with Rory talent-wise like Dustin can with the possible exception of Bubba. I could see Dustin eclipsing Bubba over the next 5 years though.
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Bubba's talent is completely overrated. He is a horses for courses player and if he isn't in love with a course he isn't a factor. Unfortunately it just so happens he is built perfectly for Augusta. He's also a complete piece of shit.
 
Meh. I hate Bubba's schtick more than anyone but he's extremely talented. He has 7 wins and the Masters is the only double up. Plus he had a playoff loss in another major that wasn't the Masters. Whistling Straits, Augusta, Riviera - he gives up fast when he doesn't like a course or isn't hitting it well, but he's played well on a lot of different types of tracks.

Augusta did a great job reducing the effectiveness of the right-handed power fade, but in doing so made it a lefty cutter's paradise. Wouldn't mind seeing them add some tee boxes to even out the ideal tee ball shapes over the next few years...
 
DCDeac said:
Meh. I hate Bubba's schtick more than anyone but he's extremely talented. He has 7 wins and the Masters is the only double up. Plus he had a playoff loss in another major that wasn't the Masters. Whistling Straits, Augusta, Riviera - he gives up fast when he doesn't like a course or isn't hitting it well, but he's played well on a lot of different types of tracks.

Augusta did a great job reducing the effectiveness of the right-handed power fade, but in doing so made it a lefty cutter's paradise. Wouldn't mind seeing them add some tee boxes to even out the ideal tee ball shapes over the next few years...
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Fazio's changes in the 2000's created this problem. Let him come and fix it.

I think it's 6 of the last 12 champs are lefts when less than 5% of the field has been left handed.
 
I dont know how they could move any tee boxes without making very dramatic changes. They've pushed the tee boxes so far back that the chutes are really, really narrow coming out the first 150-200 yards.

Granted, ANGC isnt afraid to drastically alter the course, for better or worse, but reducing the impact of lefty cutters would require a complete overhaul of the teeing area on some combination of #s 2, 5, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17 and 18.
 
Tin Cup said:
I dont know how they could move any tee boxes without making very dramatic changes. They've pushed the tee boxes so far back that the chutes are really, really narrow coming out the first 150-200 yards.

Granted, ANGC isnt afraid to drastically alter the course, for better or worse, but reducing the impact of lefty cutters would require a complete overhaul of the teeing area on some combination of #s 2, 5, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17 and 18.
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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to draw it back on #11. There is just no room for anything other than perfect on that tee shot.
 
Liquid Karma said:
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to draw it back on #11. There is just no room for anything other than perfect on that tee shot.
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You can always hit a weak fade that bounces off your caddie's leg, stays in the fairway and leaves your 240 over the trees
 
Liquid Karma said:
Fazio's changes in the 2000's created this problem. Let him come and fix it.

I think it's 6 of the last 12 champs are lefts when less than 5% of the field has been left handed.
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You're right, but of those six wins by lefties, five area by two players, one of whom was in the top five in the world when he won them. Mike Weir was maybe the biggest Masters anomoly of all time.
 
Lol. Mike Weir has 8 wins. Larry Mize has 4. I am sure there are others too.
 
Shorty said:
You're right, but of those six wins by lefties, five area by two players, one of whom was in the top five in the world when he won them. Mike Weir was maybe the biggest Masters anomoly of all time.
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And to think it could have been Wake's very own Lenny Mattiace!! Dern.
 
Deacon said:
Lol. Mike Weir has 8 wins. Larry Mize has 4. I am sure there are others too.
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In the more modern era, you could throw Aaron and Immelman in there. Woosnam and Lyle didn't do a lot over here but had pretty darned good European careers, though Lyle did defile the grounds by bringing in haggis for dinner the next year. But yeah, not a lot of duds on that Masters winners list in the last 50 years or so.
 
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