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Official Wake v. FSU game thread.

The biggest call was the fumble/incomplete pass call. It was really close.
 
bmoneydeac said:
I haven't seen anyone say the officials are why we lost. However the missed facemask and encroachment calls really hurt us badly. I don't remember any questionable calls going in our favor yesterday.
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The facemasking penalty on FSU on the 4th quarter drive, allowing Wake to get to the 15 or whatever. Replays showed nothing.
 
Not that you care to but I'd wager that I've never blamed a loss on the officials. And I certainly don't think there is a prearranged bias to screw Wake Forest. I just thought the refs really screwed up an easy facemask call. And the encroachment was called seemingly really quick when there is typically a chance for the WR to correct. Nothing more nothing less.
 
bobknightfan said:
I've addressed that statement, too. Bob Knight tried to intimidate officials, to be sure.....but he actually criticized them far less than is commonly thought. As I said, his number of technical fouls at Indiana was always among the lowest of any coach in the Big Ten.

The problem with Bob Knight and nearly all casual fans is that their image of Knight is completely distorted as a result of media hyperbole in order to get a more marketable story. When you have a guy who accomplished all that Knight accomplished...both on the court and academically with his players, while playing strictly by the rules...and all the average fan knows about him is that "he is that guy who threw a chair" (which would be the first response you get from about 98% of fans on the street when his name was mentioned)....that's why I don't even bother to defend all the silly charges against him from people who don't really know the first friggin' thing about him.
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1975 — Upset over two turnovers in a Big Ten game, Knight grabs sophomore Jim Wisman by the jersey and jerks him into his seat.
1979 — Knight is charged and later tried and convicted in absentia for hitting a policeman before practice at the Pan American Games in Puerto Rico, although extradition efforts are later dropped.
1981 — Knight gets involved during Final Four in a shoving match with an LSU fan who said Knight stuffed him in a garbage can at a hotel.
1983 — Knight criticizes Big Ten officiating by standing at midcourt and cursing at Big Ten Commissioner Wayne Duke, who is in the press box. Two days later, Knight assails the referees for the "worst officiating I have seen in 12 years."
1985 — Tosses a chair across the court during a game against Purdue, prompting his ejection and one-game suspension by the Big Ten.
1986 — Receives technical foul for shouting at the officials during a game against Illinois, then kicks a megaphone and admonishes Indiana cheerleaders for disrupting a free-throw attempt by Steve Alford.
1987 — Bangs fist on the scorer's table after being assessed a technical foul during a game against LSU. The university is fined $10,000 by the NCAA and Knight receives a reprimand. Refuses to let his team finish an exhibition game against the Soviet Union after he was ejected for arguing with a referee and is later reprimanded by the university.
1991 — Publicly feuds with Illinois coach Lou Henson, who calls him a "classic bully."
1993 — Is suspended for one game after a sideline tirade in a 101-82 victory over Notre Dame in which he screams at his player son, Pat, and kicks at him. When fans behind the Indiana bench boo, Knight turns and responds with an obscenity.
1994 — Head-butts Sherron Wilkerson while screaming at him on the bench but says it was unintentional.
1995 — Is reprimanded and fined $30,000 by the NCAA for an outburst at a news conference at NCAA tournament. Upset that an NCAA media liaison erroneously says he would not attend the news conference, Knight lashes out at him.
1998 — Is fined $10,000 by the Big Ten for berating referee Ted Valentine, whose officiating Knight calls "the greatest travesty" he had seen in his coaching career. Knight receives three technical fouls and is ejected by Valentine during the second half of a loss to Illinois. Advances to second round of NCAA tournament before loss to Connecticut.
1999 — Is investigated for possible battery after allegedly choking a man at a restaurant. The man reportedly confronted Knight as he was leaving, contending he heard Knight make a racist remark. Prosecutor refuses to file charges. Assistant Ron Felling is fired after Knight allegedly throws him out of a chair after hearing him criticize the program.
March 2000 — Is investigated by university after former player Neil Reed says Knight choked him at a practice in 1997. A videotape of the practice appears to support Reed. Reports surface of other confrontations. In one, Knight throws a vase at a university secretary. In another, Knight's son Tim suffered a dislocated shoulder and a broken nose during a scuffle with his father during a hunting trip. In another, Knight attacked and knocked out an Indiana sports information director in the '70s.
May 2000 — As result of the investigation, Knight is fined $30,000, suspended for three games and placed under a "zero-tolerance" behavior policy.
Sept. 7, 2000 — Is accused of grabbing a student by the arm, cursing and lecturing him about manners after the coach was addressed "Hey, Knight, what's up?"
Sept. 10, 2000 — Is fired for violating "zero-tolerance" policy and for what university President Myles Brand calls a "pattern of unacceptable behavior."
Dec. 14, 2001 — The general manager at the Compaq Center in Houston says Knight, now coach at Texas Tech, offered to fight him over remarks the coach made about the arena's locker room. Knight commented that it "would have been very, very cramped with four midgets." The GM apologized but did not back down from his claims.
Dec. 22, 2003 — Launched into a profanity-filled tirade after an ESPN reporter asked about his relationship with former player Steve Alford, who was also participating in the interview. Alford's Iowa team was playing Texas Tech in Dallas. Knight later apologized.
Feb. 2, 2004 — Gets into a verbal spat with Texas Tech's chancellor at a Lubbock grocery. Is reprimanded — but not suspended — by the university.
Nov. 13, 2006 — Knight approaches player Michael Prince, who was looking toward the floor, and sharply pushes his chin with an open hand, apparently in an effort to get him to look up while talking to him.

That's the record of a pretty shitty person.
 
bmoneydeac said:
I haven't seen anyone say the officials are why we lost. However the missed facemask and encroachment calls really hurt us badly. I don't remember any questionable calls going in our favor yesterday.
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I think the officials were pretty bad both ways, and they definitely made some key calls against Florida State that really helped us. Off the top of my head, they got a flag for a late hit on one where the receiver was like a step out of bounds and the DB only gave him a small push. And the defensive holding on a run play that gave us a first down
 
should have gone for the TD instead of the FG but I see a lot of progress from last year.

Hinton is improving every game.
 
bobknightfan said:
Well, you know what they say about opinions. Also, there are two sides to every story. If you are interested in hearing the other side to these, read a copy of this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Bob-Knight-His-Own-Man/dp/0380708094

There is an entire chapter devoted to addressing each one in detail.

Most Helpful Customer Reviews


Bob Knight is one of a kind
By Brian Seel(bseel@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) on December 23, 1998
Format: Hardcover
This book is a fascinating look at the general, Robert Montgomery Knight, one of the most interesting coaches in all of sport. This book follows him through a season to give you a total picture of the man. It shows you far more than the narrow, negative view John Feinstein took, and it also debunks many of the myths about Knight the media has created. Through it all you see Knight's humor, wisdom, candor, ability, and yes ocassionally his temper. You see why he is the character, and the winner he is. You also see why his players love him.



Must Read for Any College Basketball Fan
By johnrebs@earthlink.net on December 4, 1999
Format: Hardcover
Joan Mullen's book is an eye-opening experience for the typical college basketball fan. She looks past all of the hype surrounding one of the game's greatest coaches and gets down to his true passion: The success and development of the young men trusted to his care. This is great book and illustrates the many facets of Coach Knight. I highly recommend it, especially for those of you who have already read Feinstein's book, A Season on the Brink. This book offers a more objective approach.


REALLY His Own Man Now...
By A. Wolverton VINE VOICE on September 17, 2000
Format: Paperback
I'm sure that this book will soon find it's way back into print after Knight's dismissal from Indiana University. Whether you believe that Knight was the greatest college basketball coach of all time, or the biggest bully of all time, you owe it to yourself to read Mellen's book. Say what you will, Knight is not a simple man. After reading this book, you may not have any symphathy for Knight, but you can't dispute his knowledge of the game, determination, and committment to excellence
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You get what you pay for. Mellen also wrote a book defending Jim Garrison.
 
This thread became all about the board's new biggest attention whore? NFW.
 
bkf is the new rjkarl.
 
I'm reading Killing Patton by Bill O'Reilly - I see a lot of parallels between those 2
bobknightfan said:
Well, you know what they say about opinions. Also, there are two sides to every story. If you are interested in hearing the other side to these, read a copy of this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Bob-Knight-His-Own-Man/dp/0380708094

There is an entire chapter devoted to addressing each one in detail.

Most Helpful Customer Reviews


Bob Knight is one of a kind
By Brian Seel(bseel@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) on December 23, 1998
Format: Hardcover
This book is a fascinating look at the general, Robert Montgomery Knight, one of the most interesting coaches in all of sport. This book follows him through a season to give you a total picture of the man. It shows you far more than the narrow, negative view John Feinstein took, and it also debunks many of the myths about Knight the media has created. Through it all you see Knight's humor, wisdom, candor, ability, and yes ocassionally his temper. You see why he is the character, and the winner he is. You also see why his players love him.



Must Read for Any College Basketball Fan
By johnrebs@earthlink.net on December 4, 1999
Format: Hardcover
Joan Mullen's book is an eye-opening experience for the typical college basketball fan. She looks past all of the hype surrounding one of the game's greatest coaches and gets down to his true passion: The success and development of the young men trusted to his care. This is great book and illustrates the many facets of Coach Knight. I highly recommend it, especially for those of you who have already read Feinstein's book, A Season on the Brink. This book offers a more objective approach.


REALLY His Own Man Now...
By A. Wolverton VINE VOICE on September 17, 2000
Format: Paperback
I'm sure that this book will soon find it's way back into print after Knight's dismissal from Indiana University. Whether you believe that Knight was the greatest college basketball coach of all time, or the biggest bully of all time, you owe it to yourself to read Mellen's book. Say what you will, Knight is not a simple man. After reading this book, you may not have any symphathy for Knight, but you can't dispute his knowledge of the game, determination, and committment to excellence
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stevewhite14 said:
I'm glad that Petrino is a terrible human being. Colburn is going to be a good one.
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Been saying this since the first scrimmage kid is going to be a beast. Let him play every snap he wants against UofL.
 
DeaconWalker said:
The big difference since Hinton stepped in is our rushing attack has improved exponentially.
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Our rushing attack was improved when Wolford was in there anyone could see it. Hinton just has that extra gear and Wolford didn't really get much time to show it.
 
stevewhite14 said:
I think that's a byproduct of having a very well-coached, but not super talented defense. We don't have ballhawking corners and we don't have many defenders that can just flat put a hit on a player.

Claws has made improving the offense his number 1 priority and that is starting to show. The defense is well-coached and disciplined, but it lacks playmakers, particularly on the back-end.
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This is the reason why we took so many grad students in the backfield. Clawson hoped the age/experience/maturity would make up for our lack of playmakers there until we got our own in.
 
ChrisL68 said:
The biggest call was the fumble/incomplete pass call. It was really close.
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That was a big call--but I can't say for certain whether it was a fumble or incomplete pass, no matter how many times I see it.
 
TheReff said:
That was a big call--but I can't say for certain whether it was a fumble or incomplete pass, no matter how many times I see it.
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I've looked at the replay again, and I agree. The replay was not going to change the call on the field no matter which way it went.
 
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