tigerswood
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Well yeah but Craig James killed 5 hookers.
I also stand on my point that we had the better football players and thus better team. If we had run a 4x100 relay, weightlifting contest, long jump, etc. contest against FSU's team, maybe we lose. The game was football and we had the better team in 06, 07, 08. I think it was Craig James that said during the broadcast of the 2007 Thursday night against FSU, that believe it or not, Wake Forest had the better football talent that night. I think if you go back an watch those games our offense wasn't really all that creative, we were much more "creative" in the early Grobe years.
Kearns threw a gorgeous ball in those few snaps.
The comparison was to "athletes" or athletic talent, or the combined bigger, faster, stronger argument. And in that regard FSU has always had a edge on us. I stand on my point, it was mainly the creativity of the O, players that believed in it, and could execute it. Clawson doesn't seem to want to step outside of a conservative O philosophy or game plan. This is not only evidenced by his 3 years here but looking back at the way his previous teams have played, as well.
Lee was a specimen in regards to being an athletic QB with size and he had some good games. I remember him beating Alabama one year, but overall he wasn't the best QB on the roster. Not odd for elite programs.
I personally find the similarities between this year and 2006 to be pretty remarkable with just completely different contexts surrounding the teams as far as the ACC landscape goes.
Both teams had a top 30-40 defense, both teams generated a lot of turnovers while generally protecting the ball well, both teams have had injuries at critical skill positions, both teams have a defense that has far more NFL potential and future players than the offense, and both teams are pretty poor on offense.
This year's team is 117th out of 128 in total offense (and gaining 30 yards more a game than the 2006 team) while the 2006 team was 96th out of, I believe, 119 teams.
I personally find the similarities between this year and 2006 to be pretty remarkable with just completely different contexts surrounding the teams as far as the ACC landscape goes.
Both teams had a top 30-40 defense, both teams generated a lot of turnovers while generally protecting the ball well, both teams have had injuries at critical skill positions, both teams have a defense that has far more NFL potential and future players than the offense, and both teams are pretty poor on offense.
This year's team is 117th out of 128 in total offense (and gaining 30 yards more a game than the 2006 team) while the 2006 team was 96th out of, I believe, 119 teams.
Fans are always going to complain/muse about the play calling/offensive scheme. "Let's run more reverses/orbits" It's amusing.
Agreed. Playcalling is the least compelling critique by fans. It's also the easiest.
Of course, I will always rail against Lobo's shotgun dive on 4th and goal against Purdue.
The NFL disagrees with you. 14 players from the 2006 Florida State team played in the NFL (including Graham Gano). WF had 6.
This is like the "who cares if they had 5 stars arguments, we got diamond in the roughs". Give me the 5 stars all day, every day for a sustained period of time over the 3 stars.
One, maybe small, reason why the offense is rated so poorly is that the defense is very good. WF can win games with an offense that doesn't turn the ball over and plays field position. If the defense sucked, WF would follow a different gameplan to try to win which would require more risk-taking, would generate more yards and points. If WF was giving up 35+ a game, WF would be chucking the ball around a lot more.
I also stand on my point that we had the better football players and thus better team. If we had run a 4x100 relay, weightlifting contest, long jump, etc. contest against FSU's team, maybe we lose. The game was football and we had the better team in 06, 07, 08. I think it was Craig James that said during the broadcast of the 2007 Thursday night against FSU, that believe it or not, Wake Forest had the better football talent that night. I think if you go back an watch those games our offense wasn't really all that creative, we were much more "creative" in the early Grobe years.
Well yeah but Craig James killed 5 hookers.