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Welcome Steve Forbes! #ForbesInTheForest #Forbest

It will be interesting to watch Nate Oats and Steve Forbes over the next 7 years to see who has the more sustainable success. I have no idea. Both are great coaches. but he would have been our home run hire last year if Currie had gotten the job a year or even a few months earlier.
 
jaybone said:
It will be interesting to watch Nate Oats and Steve Forbes over the next 7 years to see who has the more sustainable success. I have no idea. Both are great coaches. but he would have been our home run hire last year if Currie had gotten the job a year or even a few months earlier.
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Or if Wellman had not demanded to stay on until May 1.
 
Probably couldn't have paid Oats as much as Alabama did, SEC $$$ goes a long way.

saus21 said:
So he is going to play a man to man, pressing, pressure defense? Always wondered why we never even tried to do that in the past. Looking forward to seeing our new team with this guy on the bench. Can once again look forward to the games.
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Kenpom data def suggests we'll see aggressiveness on defense. Of his last four teams each placed in the top 60 in terms of turnovers forced per possession, and three outta four were in the top 50 in percentage of opponents' shots that were blocked
 
Oats is getting $2.45M/year. We could have afforded that.
 
wsc8521s said:
Gary Parrish on his podcast after the Manning firing said that we'd pay our new coach approx. $1.5M/year
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We've paid both [Redacted] that much and Manning quite a bit more than that. Parrish is just making up numbers.
 
Perhaps, though I'm sure we're accounting to some degree for the fact that we may need to pay a lot of Manning's buyout, since that is contested.

Bama also could've offered to pay Oats even more if we were in a bidding war with them for his services. Certainly seems like he woulda been a candidate though if we had gotten Currie or anyone else in early enough to make a decision -- I remember doof/#s discounting Oats b/c of his reliance on jucos, but clearly that wasn't a prob with Forbes
 
per kenpom, seems like his ETSU teams were most consistent at efficient scoring and high FG%
 
RacerDeac said:
We've paid both [name redacted] that much and Manning quite a bit more than that. Parrish is just making up numbers.
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Are you saying WF is paying Forbes more or less than that?

Forbes salary at ETSU was $650K and his buyout was $500K : https://www.timesnews.net/Basketball/2018/02/19/ETSU-gives-Forbes-raise-extension.html

Guessing that WF paid the buyout (maybe). If WF is paying Forbes $1.5 million a year, they increased his salary almost 2.4 times during the worst economic crisis in the decades. WF had all of the leverage in this situation, and just paid the price for giving a basketball a coach a contract with terms that were unnecessarily generous. Money is an issue right now for the athletic department. Not saying that Currie low-balled Forbes, but no one else is hiring basketball coaches right now. Forbes is in his 50s, and does not have the time to wait to climb the coaching ladder. Have no idea of the terms of the WF/Forbes deal, but $1.5 million with healthy performance incentives seems about right to me.
 
Also, on his Goodman podcast interview Forbes said he took the ETSU job without even knowing how much he was going to be paid. Doesn't seem like he would be driving a hard bargain in terms of his compensation
 
Yeah, given the buyout, economic climate and how the search went, I suspect Forbes was such a strong front-runner in part because he wasn't particularly expensive. I think he would have been a great hire regardless, but would be very surprised if he's pulling in $2MM base.
 
wsc8521s said:
Probably couldn't have paid Oats as much as Alabama did, SEC $$$ goes a long way.



Kenpom data def suggests we'll see aggressiveness on defense. Of his last four teams each placed in the top 60 in terms of turnovers forced per possession, and three outta four were in the top 50 in percentage of opponents' shots that were blocked
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beats dropping back and playing a slack, no help man to man defense that is for sure
 
Pilchard said:
Are you saying WF is paying Forbes more or less than that?
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No, I'm saying Parrish isn't a source and is just guessing like we are. And that we may be paying more or less, but that we definitely would have paid more than $1.5M for the right coach (Matta).
 
WakeForest Fan said:
if not recognized he'd get turned away from deacon club events
"my word! thurston, look at that brute. call security."
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Our blue hair sports fans are a lot more redneck than that. Most of our older sports fans are lifetime North Carolinians. They’ve been hanging out with dudes like Forbes at trump rallies for years now.
 
saus21 said:
beats dropping back and playing a slack, no help man to man defense that is for sure
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It will be quite the change -- Danny's teams never ranked higher than #229 in turnovers forced per possession.

In fact last year we were 340th our of 353 teams in that stat
 
Pilchard said:
Are you saying WF is paying Forbes more or less than that?

Forbes salary at ETSU was $650K and his buyout was $500K : https://www.timesnews.net/Basketball/2018/02/19/ETSU-gives-Forbes-raise-extension.html

Guessing that WF paid the buyout (maybe). If WF is paying Forbes $1.5 million a year, they increased his salary almost 2.4 times during the worst economic crisis in the decades. WF had all of the leverage in this situation, and just paid the price for giving a basketball a coach a contract with terms that were unnecessarily generous. Money is an issue right now for the athletic department. Not saying that Currie low-balled Forbes, but no one else is hiring basketball coaches right now. Forbes is in his 50s, and does not have the time to wait to climb the coaching ladder. Have no idea of the terms of the WF/Forbes deal, but $1.5 million with healthy performance incentives seems about right to me.
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Agreed. And I’m sure he has a pathway to bigger money.
 
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