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Israel Attacked and its Response

Genocide pending. Disgusting.

Where are they supposed to go? Gaza period is 1/10 the size of Rhode Island and has double the population
 
Yeah UN responded saying it’s impossible to evacuate that space in 24 hours without “devastating humanitarian consequences.” Gonna see if Israel continues committing war crimes and violating international law as they have for decades or not. I think we know the answer but I hope I’m wrong
 
www.bbc.com

Kfar Aza kibbutz massacre: Father saves daughter he hadn’t seen for six years

Neta had not spoken to her father for years, but she knew he was the only person who could save her.
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Now, in the ward, Shimon looks at his daughter, in her hospital gown.
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"My beautiful daughter. I have got her back."
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But his relief is overwhelmed with anger and sadness.
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"She is a child of peace. She believes only in peace, and she don't understand why they killed small children, why they burned small children in the kibbutz."
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With Neta visibly tiring and her nurse despatching herself to retrieve more painkillers, I ask Neta how she thinks the Israeli government should respond to the massacre of her community and the other atrocities.
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At this point, her fluctuating distress turns to deep anger.
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"You want the truth? I don't want the Hamas any more in my life. We need to destroy them one by one. We need to be strong."
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So what exactly should the army do?
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"The army needs to be inside Gaza," Neta says. "They need to kill one terrorist after one terrorist after one terrorist. I want peace with all my heart, but I think it's not going to be peace."
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She takes a breath.
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"I'm sorry I say that - but I just was in my house. And they shot me in my bed."
I ask a final question: does she think of the civilians in Gaza who will inevitably be killed in such an intense ground operation?
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"All that I say is for the jihadis and Hamas. My country doesn't want to hurt civilians. I don't want to hurt civilians. I want them to be saved. I don't think they need to die. Like I don't need to die. They are like me.
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"But we need to fight."
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Are they planning a ground attack or just bomb the hell out of them? I would assume a combination of both.

Obviously it's not feasible to tell 1.1M people to leave in 24 hours, with nowhere to go, and Israel as a whole preventing them from even leaving Gaza. They of course know this though.
 

I’m Going to War for Israel. Palestinians Are Not My Enemy.​



I was in Austin, Texas, for work on Saturday when I received a call from my commander in the Israel Defense Forces to return to Israel and head to the front line. I didn’t hesitate. I knew that the citizens of my country were in real danger. My duty first and foremost is to join the fight against those who unleashed a massacre on my people. I boarded the first flight I found out of Austin to head home to join the I.D.F. reserves, where I serve as a brigade operations command officer.

During my long flight to Israel, my mind couldn’t rest. I was trying to write down my feelings and thoughts about everything happening — and everything that’s about to happen — in my beloved country.

Little by little, the dimensions of the horrors of the most brutal attack that Israelis have experienced since the establishment of the state were being revealed. Hundreds of Hamas terrorists slaughtered more than 1,200 people, including women, children and older people. About 150 citizens and soldiers have been taken captive. There’s nothing in the world that can justify the murder of hundreds of innocent people.

But I’d like to say one thing clearly, before I go to battle: There’s no such thing as “unavoidable.” This war could have been avoided, and no one did enough to prevent it. Israel did not do enough to make peace; we just conquered the Palestinian territories in the West Bank, expanded the illegal settlements and imposed a long-term siege on the Gaza Strip.
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For 56 years Israel has been subjecting Palestinians to oppressive military rule. In my book “Love Israel, Support Palestine,” I wrote: “Israeli society has to ask itself very important questions about where and why the blood of its sons and daughters was spilled. A Messianic religious minority has dragged us into a muddy swamp, and we are following them as if it were the Piper from Hamelin.” When I wrote these words last year, I didn’t realize how deep in the mud we were, and how much more blood could be shed in so little time.


I am now going to defend my country against enemies who want to kill my people. Our enemies are the deadly terrorist organizations that are being controlled by Islamic extremists.

Palestinians aren’t the enemy. The millions of Palestinians who live right here next to us, between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan, are not our enemy. Just like the majority of Israelis want to live a calm, peaceful and dignified life, so do Palestinians. Israelis and Palestinians alike have been in the grip of a religious minority for decades. On both sides, the intractable positions of a small group has dragged us into violence. It doesn’t matter who is more cruel, or more ruthless. The ideology of both have fueled this conflict, leading to the death of too many innocent civilians.

As a major in the reserves, it is important to me to make it clear that in this already unstoppable new war, we cannot allow the massacre of innocent Israelis to result in the massacre of innocent Palestinians. Israel must remember that there are more than two million people living in the Gaza Strip. The vast majority of them are innocent. Israel must do everything in its power to avoid killing innocent people, and focus on destroying the militant army of Hamas.

This war, like others before it, will end sooner or later. I am not sure I will come back from it alive, but I do know that a minute after the war is over, both Israelis and Palestinians will have to reckon with the leaders who led them to this moment. We must wake up and not let the extremists rule. Palestinians and Israelis must denounce the extremists who are driven by religious fanaticism. The Israelis will have to oust National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and their far-right circle from power, and the Palestinians will have to oust the leadership of Hamas.
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I try to look for shreds of hope. The Yom Kippur War, the most difficult war that Israel had known until this week, started by surprise in 1973. After a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt was finally signed in 1979, the border with Egypt — one that was once the site of the dead and wounded — became a border of peace.

Israelis must realize that there is no greater security asset than peace. The strongest army cannot protect the country the way peace does. This current war proves it once again. Israel has followed the path of war for too long.

At the end, after all of the dead Israelis and Palestinians are buried, after we have finished washing away the rivers of blood, the people who share a home in this land will have to understand that there is no other choice but to follow the path of peace. That is where true victory lies.
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After listening to some interviews yesterday about the Hamas attack it occured to me that Americans and westerners have no frame of reference for Hamas’s military beyond terrorism because Hamas isn’t recognized and allowed to have an organized military force in Gaza. Israel/US/UN will only recognize Fetah and the Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank.

Hamas can’t have military barracks and bases and garrisons and checkpoints in Gaza, those would all be destroyed even in a time of cease fire “peace time”. That’s why this whole notion of human shields and terrorists hiding among the populace is fucking asinine. Why would the IDF ever allow Hamas’s military force to organize?
 
Yeah I think the only context Americans would have is that Bush supported the Fatah/supplied weapons in 2005-2007 when Hamas overthrew the government.
 
It’s just crazy trying to reconcile this situation where the world seemingly wakes up to a terrorist attack and cries for peace, when all the leaders in charge of these nations explicitely do not want peace. As Americans I don’t think we really want peace between the nations, what we really want to do is effectively just hit the snooze button on the alarm clock and forget Palestine exists for 15 more minutes until the alarm goes off again.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
After listening to some interviews yesterday about the Hamas attack it occured to me that Americans and westerners have no frame of reference for Hamas’s military beyond terrorism because Hamas isn’t recognized and allowed to have an organized military force in Gaza. Israel/US/UN will only recognize Fetah and the Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank.

Hamas can’t have military barracks and bases and garrisons and checkpoints in Gaza, those would all be destroyed even in a time of cease fire “peace time”. That’s why this whole notion of human shields and terrorists hiding among the populace is fucking asinine. Why would the IDF ever allow Hamas’s military force to organize?
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Sounds like they should surrender then, like every side does when they lose a war and are only going to get their civilians killed if they drag it out.
 
dartsndeacs said:
Sounds like they should surrender then, like every side does when they lose a war and are only going to get their civilians killed if they drag it out.
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Just like they did 15 years ago and now live in an open air prison where they can't leave and are ruled by Israelis who are committing war crimes as judged by the UN?

Yeah, that's worked well.
 


This is the first episode of a multi-part interview with Rashid Khalidi on the modern state of Palestine and Israel

Rashid Khalidi is the author of numerous books on the subject, he is the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at Columbia University and editor of the Journal of Palestine Studies.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Just like they did 15 years ago and now live in an open air prison where they can't leave and are ruled by Israelis who are committing war crimes as judged by the UN?

Yeah, that's worked well.
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Seems like they’re still voting in a group whose main goal is to kill all the Jews and take their land as their leaders. In retrospect voting for someone else would have been more productive
 
dartsndeacs said:
Seems like they’re still voting in a group whose main goal is to kill all the Palestinians and take their land as their leaders. In retrospect voting for someone else would have been more productive
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Fixed to apply to Israeli voters.
 
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