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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

Deaconblue said:
Wake has three of the top 15 in 2023 - Notre Dame, Clemson and FSU.

Too bad top 20 Maryland isn't regularly on the schedule anymore. Lots of eyeballs in DC/Baltimore area.

ETA: stop scheduling NCState and u*NC because they are not top 40? Keep playing Navy because they are?
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Maryland is an interesting case.

If we assume they had data for all 12 of Maryland's games, almost half of Maryland's viewers came from the OSU and Michigan games plus Maryland benefitted from having another game against Penn State. Obviously not all of the eyeballs from those games are opposing teams' fans, but it will be interesting to see what Maryland's average viewership becomes once Maryland no longer have those three games guaranteed on the schedule every season.
 
deacdixieboy said:
Navy not looking so bad now.
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Even though the US Naval Academy enrollment is about 4500 students and graduates a little over 1,000 per year and they have a total cumulative of about 90,000 graduates, the Naval Academy (and all service academies) have a much bigger following. The millions of people who served in the Navy (or any of the Armed Forces of the US) generally support the flagship instutions that produced their leaders. The military academies have world wide broadcasts via the Armed Forces Radio and TV System.
 
Navy benefits hugely by not playing games on the ACC Network which count as zeros on that list
 
i'm sure this has been said in the 238 pages i didn't read, but FSU's view of themselves in the football universe is like how their QBs fare in the NFL. Way overrated and usually really disappointing, but everyone keeps buying the hype from the peak years under Bowden.
 
That link purporting to show "average TV viewership" lists WF as averaging 523,000 viewers during the Fall 2022 season. Here is how he got that number:

Wake vs. Clemson: 3.18 million viewers
Wake @ FSU: 2.48 million viewers
Wake vs. UNC: 610,000 viewers

Total from those 3 games: $6.27 million

Average for those three games: 2.09 million

Wake's other 9 TV games: unknown, counted as zeros

"Average" viewership: 6.27 million divided by 12 games = 523,000

Supporting data is in this link

again...the average is bullshit
 
morrison2951 said:
nd is the "golden" goose and a logical ACC fit academically and size wise.

All the others are just window dressing.

Just think of the ACC and nd headlines if we get this done for nd all-in!

With the big20 filling out their numbers, the time is now!!
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ND has a new AD coming in, Pete Bevacqua, who just happens to be NBC sports chairman. Many of the experts on College Sirius this morning said they will have no problem staying independent. Their NBC contract runs out soon & with this guy coming in the thinking is they will have no problem with their new BBC contract getting them up towards B10/SEC money.
 
Navy has three football games that anyone really gives a shit about:

Air Force, Army and Notre Dame

About a million people watch Navy-Air Force. That is certainly a respectable number.

The Army-Navy game is one of the biggest draws in college football. 6-8 million viewers every year.

Last year, the Navy game was Notre Dame's second-worst TV number for non-Peacock games (UNLV @ ND was on Peacock); the only game that was worse was, ahem, 3-7 BC at Notre Dame.
 
I believe Maryland's numbers are inflated in that link. From the other link I provided, I see Maryland with a total TV viewership of 15.9 million, which should give them an average of 1.3 million per week - not 1.864 as shown.

Maryland had a total of 12.8 million viewers for OSU+UM+PSU. Very pedestrian numbers for the other games including 97,000 for the season finale against Rutgers. But, because they are on the BTN, they only had one game with no data (their game at Charlotte), so only one zero gets counted in. But again I think they are inflated in that list.
 
247sports.com

Toppmeyer's (USA Today) Plan for Three 20 Team Conferences

Toppmeyer's (USA Today) Plan for Three 20 Team Conferences
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Notably absent from these super-conferences
Notre Dame, California, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington State, Boston College, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Boise State, San Diego State.

So in our making the "noticeably absent" list, who do you think would qualify as being on a "noticeably absent from the noticeably absent" list? I'll go with SMU and Navy for starters.
 
we are still above Big 12 is media money right? why not try to poach some of their schools, Kansas/TCU/TT/WVU something to establish us as the definitive 3rd conference if a FSU/Clemson/UNC leave.
 
If FSU/Clemson/UNC leave, the ACC won't be the "definitive" 3rd conference regardless of the money. The perception now is that the ACC is weak simply because they didn't raid for teams well outside the geographic footprint who wouldn't make any more money.
 
NSFWake said:
we are still above Big 12 is media money right? why not try to poach some of their schools, Kansas/TCU/TT/WVU something to establish us as the definitive 3rd conference if a FSU/Clemson/UNC leave.
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Big XII will get more than ACC starting in 2025 when their new (post TX and OK) deal kicks in. ESPN contract agreed to match per school payout for added P5 schools. ESPN is 2/3. Fox is 1/3. Fox deal doesn't require match. Supposedly they will do so.
 
So the ACC will be third in the ESPN pecking order.
 
So, all of this chaos because $30M per school media payouts aren't enough?? Greed is a terrible thing.

Do you guys cause chaos in your neighborhoods when the guy down the street is known to make more cheese than you?!
 
thatguy2016 said:
That link purporting to show "average TV viewership" lists WF as averaging 523,000 viewers during the Fall 2022 season. Here is how he got that number:

Wake vs. Clemson: 3.18 million viewers
Wake @ FSU: 2.48 million viewers
Wake vs. UNC: 610,000 viewers

Total from those 3 games: $6.27 million

Average for those three games: 2.09 million

Wake's other 9 TV games: unknown, counted as zeros

"Average" viewership: 6.27 million divided by 12 games = 523,000

Supporting data is in this link

again...the average is bullshit
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Thanks for sharing. I thought the Wake number seemed low cause I knew the Wake Clemson game was huge.
 
Idea.

14 existing full time football members are the only full time members.

Allow Stanford (or Stanford and Cal, if they wish to pair) to - like ND - be partial football members (they'd be Independents in football) and maybe be full time members in other sports (travel effect unknown, bad for them, not so much for us). They go negotiate their own ND like contract, we see if ESPN will add onto our GOR pay for west coast at night games.

Maybe the ACCN is the carrier??

Maybe we split the extra non-Independent extra money with them. 2/3 us, 1/3 them. Or 7/8ths us, 1/8th them. Or something in between (they are providing the late night content, with us participating in the games).
So that we win, and they win to the extent they have independent value, plus some.

Crazier idea:
Invite the three military academies on the same terms (maybe they stay in their own conferences for the other sports).

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These schools, like ND, wouldn't compete for the football conference championship, but Cal and Stanford's strength of schedule may be enough for them to get an at large bid to playoffs if they are really good.

Unlike ND, while they would be full sharing members of all the Olympic sports, they wouldn't be true members (like if the ACC blows up, the remainder schools wouldn't be forced to keep them as Olympic sports members forever).

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If the GOR is really ironclad, then we don't have to do anything. The advantage to this is it keeps all the "should be part of P5 endgame" in the pool. It makes the ACC a continuing attractive home for ND, plus some. These schools have higher viewership than the average ACC school*. (As do Navy and Army.)

It gives us options (without commitment today) that may vanish otherwise if we lose a couple of members like FSU. (Maybe we make them sign a "if you join a conference it must be the ACC fee, but you can't be a member yet, so so it won't be so big.")

(*Excluding ACCN!)
 
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