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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

Expanding on ESPN's report about settlement talks in the House antitrust case, Ross Dellenger of Yahoo Sports provides more details about the chances for a settlement and what it might look like.


...Any settlement of the case comes in two parts: (1) compensation owed to college athletes for universities using their name, image and likeness in broadcasts; and (2) a future compensation model featuring revenue sharing with athletes.

The first is likely to cost college sports as much as, or more than, $1 billion in back-pay (damages) owed to athletes over the four years preceding the NCAA permitting athletes to earn compensation from their NIL (2017-2020). The amount is likely to be paid over a certain stretch of time.

The second is more impactful to the future of the industry: an agreement from, specifically, power conference schools to directly share revenue with their athletes and even buy their exclusive NIL rights.

As reported by Yahoo Sports earlier this month, administrators briefed on a proposed new revenue-sharing model are expecting to share as much as $15-20 million per school, with a spending limit similar to a professional sports team’s salary cap...
 
I quoted a line from this Ross Dellenger article from Yahoo Sports several days ago, but it's worth going back and reviewing the whole article. The subject is the negotiations that resulted in the new CFP 12 team format and the uneven revenue split among the conferences (some conferences are more equal than others 😄).

While the ACC and each of its member teams will get more money than they got under the old CFP 4-team format, the B1G and SEC will get a lot more than the ACC and the Big 12. I guess Dr. Jim Phillips, PhD (in education 🙄), is not a great negotiator (except of course when it comes to his own salary-$2.4M-and his preferred location for his office-Charlotte).

As the article reveals, the ACC could have had a better deal in 2022 when the negotiations for expanding the CFP first took place, but Phillips helped kill the proposed expansion. Two years later, he had to take what the B1G and SEC were willing to give him.

Phillips seems to be between a rock & a hard place when negotiating extra revenue for ACC football when up against behemoths like the SEC & B1G when they have all the numbers of teams in NY’s games, CFP & BCS (going back to 1998. Plus they are using all the new high powered teams and their appearances in these totals for whatever years were used in their figuring.

Guess we could be glad they aren’t factoring baseball in to these championship numbers because the ACC is at 2 total since 1955. (But plenty of CWS appearances)
 
As the start date for a trial in the House antitrust case (January, 2025) draws closer, The Day of Reckoning for colleges in the "Power 4" draws near. Those schools, their conferences and the NCAA have an incentive to settle the suit now to avoid the risk of losing a trial and having to pay 3 or 4 times as much money as if they settle between now and January.

But even with a settlement, lots of questions remain:


...How much will revenue sharing cost schools?

In addition to back pay, schools are preparing their financial books for a new annual line item -- revenue-sharing for players -- that could range from $15 million to $25 million, according to estimates from several athletic directors surveyed by 247Sports. The Collective Association, which represents 35 NIL collectives, presented a revenue-sharing model to the NCAA and the SEC earlier this year that outlines a 20% share of media revenue, which would be distributed by the NIL collectives.

Will there be a salary cap for college programs?

Administrators also expect a salary cap to be attached to the annual revenue shares, similar to professional sports, which presents yet another gigantic unknown: are NIL collectives factored into the settlement? If so, that lightens the financial burden on athletic departments. If not, the challenges will only grow as programs with the richest boosters flourish and provide additional pay on top of the players' revenue shares.

"Collectives aren't going to go away if there's a salary cap," said Russell White, president of The Collective Association. "Universities will continue to want to compete above and beyond (the base revenue shares)."

If collectives are not included in the revenue-sharing model, will Congress, which has struggled to push legislation on NIL beyond committee discussions, feel less obligated to adopt legal guidelines?

"We definitely still want standards and rules to bring order to the NIL space," White said.

Title IX implications are not good

Title IX also complicates a potential settlement. The unspoken truth is it seems unlikely administrators and players will advocate for equal pay for athletes whose sports earn less revenue than the cash cows of football and men's basketball.

"It's very likely we're going to see non-revenue sports get massacred," said Jason Belzer, president of Student Athlete NIL. "Title IX is going to be a very big battle. How are you going to stop it? It's going to be tough."

Where players' associations fit in

Meanwhile, several organizations have laid the foundation over the last several years to be the central entity in collective bargaining on behalf of players. Athletes.org made waves this week when it signed the entire UAB football team as members of the players' association.

"You can't do a deal that's going to have any real protection from further litigation without doing it with the athletes sitting at the table, period," said Jim Cavale, founder and chairman of Athletes.org. Cavale strongly believes a revenue-sharing model, along with collective bargaining, will be in place by July 1, 2025, and AO is aggressively pursuing new members.

AO surpassed 3,000 active members Tuesday, including nearly 1,500 players from power conferences, Cavale said. He believes AO will "hit critical mass" with over 50% of all athletes in power conferences within the next year. If that happens, it could pave the way for a players association similar in structure to the NFLPA or MLBPA, with major conferences represented by athletes at the negotiation table.

"I still maintain we're in the education business," UCF athletics director Terry Mohajir said. "This national narrative has been hijacked that it's these poor guys and girls are getting taken advantage of. Right now, as it is today, with Alston payments, cost of attendance payments and expenses and housing, our student-athletes live like $100,000 employees in our organization because they have no expenses and they don't pay taxes on any of the extra money they get from Alston payments, academic awards, the cost of attendance and medical expenses."

The National Labor Relations Board is set to hear in two pending cases at USC and Dartmouth that athletes are employees and have the right to form unions. Meanwhile, the NCAA maintains players are not employees, and NCAA president Charlie Baker reinforced that stance in December when he presented a proposal that would allow schools to pay players as much as $30,000 annually for their NIL rights.

"If you convert all of college sports into employment, there is simply no doubt based on math you'll lose an enormous number of student-athlete opportunities across all three divisions because the money is just not there," Baker said. "Most schools lose money on sports, even in DI."

Group of Five could be spared from Power Four's problems​

Revenue sharing and back payments could cripple smaller athletic departments, though the House plaintiff attorneys are not targeting Group of Five conferences in the lawsuit. Most departments are ill-equipped to pay athletes as much as $20 million annually. More than 50% of Group of Five schools earn less than $40 million annually in revenue. The Power Five conferences (then including the Pac-12) combined for more than $3.3 billion in revenue for the 2022 fiscal year, according to federal tax records. Ohio State earned $251.6 million in revenue last year to lead all Power Five schools.

House plaintiff attorney Jeffrey Kessler declined to comment when reached Tuesday by 247Sports. In April, Kessler spoke at Howard University on a panel regarding the future of college athletics.

"You really have to think about [Power Four] as different," Kessler said at the event, per to Yahoo! Sports. "The reason we get tied in knots is because we conflate those schools who have developed these gigantic independent commercial businesses with the schools who are still just educational institutions with extracurricular activities. When you try to come up with one rule for all, you go crazy. You have to look at the schools differently. For the ones with the money, there is plenty of money to compensate the athletes and share it with the women's sports.

"Once you divide it all up, this is not hard. It is only hard if you're saying, 'Well, how will Lehigh be able to afford all this?!' They won't and they won't pay [athletes]. If their concern is that Lehigh then won't be able to compete with Alabama in football ... OK, that's your concern? That's your concern?!"

Hoping for congressional help​

Four active antitrust lawsuits threaten the current collegiate athletic models. A settlement in the House case will protect the NCAA and power conferences from lawsuits for the next eight to 10 years, according to Yahoo Sports. The question is whether Congress will provide blanket protection via a new law. NIL proposals in Congress have failed more than one dozen times to advance beyond the pony show of committee hearings.

"You hope that (a settlement) will be the genesis for Congress to step in and put in some additional guardrails," Rhoades said. "It's really hard to navigate if there's revenue share and employee status, and paying whatever that wage is."
 
Well I guess you’re not that concerned with women’s sports. And here I thought you were genuine!
I guess you’re not concerned with the future of the ACC and WF sports. But you should be.

As for women’s sports, I have made my position very clear: they are for women only and not men.

Now go back to the trans thread and stop shitting on posts and threads that have nothing to do with trans issues.
 
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So you are only concerned with eligibility requirements for women’s sports and not at all concerned with women’s ability to have facilities and buy equipment to actually play the sports?
 
Pete Thamel on the possibility of a settlement in the House antitrust case:

 
The NY attorney general joined attorneys general from other states in their lawsuit against the NCAA over NIL rules.

“New York student athletes are some of the best in the country, and they should be able to make decisions about their athletic career without restrictions,” James said. “The NCAA’s NIL rule limits college athletes’ potential and restricts competition among universities — that’s not fair game. Student-athletes should be able to call the shots on their career fairly and evenly. I am proud to join this lawsuit to continue fighting for fair treatment of student athletes.”

Excuse me, Letitia, but Syracuse, Buffalo, Colgate, Columbia and Cornell at not being out-recruited by Penn State, Ohio State, Alabama and other big-time football schools mainly because of NIL money. :rolleyes:
 
Ross Dellenger of Yahoo Sports explains further what a settlement in the House antitrust case might mean for schools in one of the Power 4 conferences. It's not good news for John Currie and the 2.7M fans of Wake Forest.

Wake administrators and trustees will need to decide whether the university can financially afford to fulfill Currie's pledge to compete at the highest level of college sports.*

*["At Wake Forest, we are uncompromised on our commitment to compete at the highest level of intercollegiate athletics while delivering a World Class Student-Athlete Experience. With our 2.7 million Demon Deacons fans..."]


...concepts of the proposed new model are becoming more formalized as leaders work to meet a deadline set by attorneys.

Money figures are becoming clear: For those in the power conferences, the price tag is steep.

The 10-year settlement agreement could cost each power school as much as $300 million over the decade, or $30 million a year. That figure assumes a school meets what is believed to be: (1) a $17-22 million revenue distribution cap for athletes; (2) at least $2 million in withheld NCAA distribution for back damages; and (3) as much as $10 million in additional scholarship costs related to an expansion of sport-specific roster sizes — a concept previously unpublicized.

The $30 million price tag, a startling figure for an industry that has only provided athletes with mostly non-cash resources, is about 20% of the average athletic department budget of public schools in the ACC, Big Ten, SEC and Big 12.

However, as reported earlier this week, the revenue-sharing portion of the new model is “permissive,” meaning schools are not required to reach the cap or share revenue at all. Schools will also have the discretion to expand scholarships, or not, across new roster limits expected to be implemented across all sanctioned sports.

While concepts are murky and questions linger, a framework of a new model is becoming more visible and socialized with high-ranking administrators across the four power conferences.

Meanwhile, that deadline — within the next 40 days — is approaching quickly.

What’s the money?

For months now, the college athletics world has prepared or, perhaps, braced itself for the removal of the NCAA’s century-old amateurism rules — whether through an employment ruling, litigation settlement or state law change.

But there is still sticker shock in the figures slowly seeping from negotiations.

Schools will have the opportunity to share millions in revenue with athletes with a spending limit similar to a professional sports team’s salary cap. Estimates put the amount at $17-22 million per program, though the amount could fluctuate. The figure was determined through a percentage (roughly 22%) of an average of Power Four athletic department revenue streams, most notably ticket sales, television contracts and sponsorships — not donations.

Separately, the NCAA is responsible for paying about $2.9 billion in back damages over a 10-year period. The funds, some of which could be offset by insurance payments, are expected to come from the NCAA’s annual distribution to schools, mostly from the NCAA men’s basketball tournament (upwards of $700 million annually). Power schools are expecting to see a reduction in distribution by at least $2 million annually, but that figure, too, could fluctuate dramatically.

The final financial concept to any new model involves the implementation of roster limits and the expansion of scholarships across those limits. For instance, under current rules, the NCAA permits schools to distribute 11.7 scholarships across a baseball roster of 32 players.

Under this new model, schools may now choose to provide a scholarship to each roster position — however many are determined for that specific sport. The same goes for other sports, including football, which could see its roster limit actually reduced. The NCAA recently increased the football roster limit for preseason camp from 110 players to 120.

The expense of increasing scholarships is significant. Two power conference administrators told Yahoo Sports that they plan to add more than 100 additional scholarships at the expense of $9-10 million annually. A portion of the additional scholarship expense may be counted toward the revenue-sharing cap, but that too is a fluctuating figure.

Who’s in?

Not every school’s president or chancellor is in agreement on settling the lawsuit and adopting a new model for a variety of reasons explained in this Yahoo Sports story published earlier this week.

The topic has generated plenty of spirited debate within meetings among conference presidents and athletic directors over the last year. The approval of any settlement likely needs a simple majority or supermajority vote from a conference’s board of university presidents.

The Big Ten is most aligned in its desire to settle the suit, multiple sources tell Yahoo Sports. But, as one administrator said, “if one league settles, we all settle.”

However, some conferences are exploring the possibility of setting their own league-wide revenue-sharing cap at an amount lower than the $17-22 million figure.

Is this a possibility? It remains murky.

But it’s a stark reminder of the existing budgetary gap between the ACC/Big 12 and SEC/Big Ten, whose future television contracts and College Football Playoff distribution will further grow that financial chasm. Should the Big 12 and ACC have a lower rev-share cap than the richer SEC and Big Ten? It’s a question some are asking.

Some schools, even those in the power leagues, may not have the resources to even afford half of the rev-share cap. In a hotly competitive industry where talent acquisition is rooted in recruiting, offering a limited amount of funds could further grow gaps not only between the four conferences but within them.

“Some schools may say, ‘I’m out,’” said one industry source.

But there is new money coming. The CFP recently completed an ESPN television extension that pays $1.3 billion annually to the conferences — a combined 58% of which is earmarked for the SEC and Big Ten (roughly $20-23 million per school annually). The ACC and Big 12 receive about 15-17%.

There are other options too, such as reducing coaching and administrative salaries. Salaries and buyouts are responsible for nearly 40% of athletic department budgets in FBS, according to data from the Knight Commission. Another 20% of budgets are related to facility construction, renovation and debt.

Already, schools are gearing up to slice salaries. Within the contract of Missouri’s new athletic director, Laird Veatch, there will feature a “force majeure provision” related to potential changes in the college sports financial model, according to the Columbia Tribune. Model changes could trigger a renegotiation of his deal, according to the outlet.

Such a concept goes beyond the contract of athletic directors. At one SEC school, administrators at least attempted to include a similar clause within the contracts of new coaching hires. The clause triggers a salary reduction if athlete revenue-sharing is adopted, according to two people with knowledge of the clause.

As one administrator quipped, “You can always find the money.”

When does it start?

If a settlement is reached — it’s not a guarantee — the revenue-sharing model will begin no sooner than the fall of 2025 and could even be delayed until 2026.

The timing and the settlement hinges, somewhat, on another antitrust case: Fontenot v. NCAA. That case seeks billions of dollars for college athletes in compensation from televised broadcasts.

While the House settlement is expected to consolidate two other antitrust cases — Hubbard and Carter — the Fontenot case is an outlier. House, Hubbard and Carter share the same legal team in Steve Berman, of Hagens Berman, and Jeffrey Kessler, of Winston & Strawn. Fontenot was brought by the law firm Korein Tillery.

A hearing is set in the Fontenot case for later this month, a key date in settlement discussions. A consolidation of all four cases is ideal as to prevent future legal challenges against the NCAA and power leagues.

How does this happen? It’s one of many lingering unanswered questions as negotiations continue, just like the swirling uncertainty around Title IX (how is it applied?) and the future of NIL collectives (will it all be brought in-house?).

What is a certainty: College athletics is on the clock in a more serious way than it’s ever been.
 
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There are other options too, such as reducing coaching and administrative salaries. Salaries and buyouts are responsible for nearly 40% of athletic department budgets in FBS, according to data from the Knight Commission. Another 20% of budgets are related to facility construction, renovation and debt.

Changing ridiculous coach contracts is key.
 
Meaning around 25-30% of the entire athletic budget goes to salary and buyouts for the football and men’s basketball coach.
 
Meaning around 25-30% of the entire athletic budget goes to salary and buyouts for the football and men’s basketball coach.
When you're making a fuck ton of money and aren't allowed to pay the labor, you have to find ways to spend it.
 
When you're making a fuck ton of money and aren't allowed to pay the labor, you have to find ways to spend it.

Yes. But the dominant narrative has been that they were spending it on athletes by way of facilities. So it’s notable that twice as much goes to paying and firing coaches and administrators and staff.
 
Yes. But the dominant narrative has been that they were spending it on athletes by way of facilities. So it’s notable that twice as much goes to paying and firing coaches and I assume administrators and staff.
You can only buy so many facilities. And you fire them less often. Lot cheaper to get rid of a building than a Jimbo it seems.
 
Coaching salaries are ridiculous, including the ridiculously long guaranteed contracts where you can be a complete failure at your job and end up a multi millionaire.

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Coaching salaries are ridiculous, including the ridiculously long guaranteed contracts where you can be a complete failure at your job and end up a multi millionaire.

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We should know, we are currently on our third in a row for men's basketball.
 
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